VAR. Is it the answer? Thoughts?

Discussion in 'Football Talk' started by razörist, Sep 16, 2016.

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Are you for VAR or not?

  1. Yes

    80.0%
  2. No

    20.0%
  1. razörist

    razörist Shanta Ronaldo

    The Dutchies are doing it again, cup match Ajax-Willem II will be the first ever high level match with a video ref! A referee wil be in contact with the refs on the pitch and advise them on red card, offside and penalty decisions!

    Discuss! :drool:
     
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  2. razörist

    razörist Shanta Ronaldo

  3. Nyctophobia

    Nyctophobia Well-Known Member

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    Video refereeing should be a sore blow for those who like to fix matches for starters, I think that will be the greatest advantage with it, in any case the refs will have to come up with better excuses than:

    ''I didn't see the incident.''
     
  4. James Bond

    James Bond Moderation Consultant

    Cant wait until it makes it to England. Think of the red cards Diego Costa will get...
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  5. Goon_si

    Goon_si Well-Known Member

    He'll be long gone before that happens. Isn't he like 34 or something, at least he looks at least that much.
     
  6. razörist

    razörist Shanta Ronaldo

    Yellow card just revised by the video ref and changed into a red card. Took ten seconds. Brilliant to see hahaha. Players couldnt believe it.

    (AJAX-Willem II)
     
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  7. Vinci

    Vinci The Sultan of Unai

    Finally.

    For comparison, in rugby they tested it first in 1996 and it was adapted all across about five years later.

    Football is only 20 years behind. :rolleyes:
     
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  8. razörist

    razörist Shanta Ronaldo

    Yeah I know, we are way behind. All those corruption scandals at fifa and match fixing stories tell us why. Hockey is the same story, checking everything and just stopping the clock. Coach's challenge and everything. Will take a while in football still.
     
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  9. James Bond

    James Bond Moderation Consultant

    http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/37978108

    Slowly but surely things are getting there.
     
  10. Aevius

    Aevius Pro-Rambo Moderator

     
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  11. albakos

    albakos Arséne Wenger: "I will miss you" Administrator

  12. GDeep™

    GDeep™ Hipster

    Blatant offsides can be sorted with technology. But fouls in the box is a grey area, it's one persons outlook.
     
  13. razörist

    razörist Shanta Ronaldo

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  14. American_Gooner

    American_Gooner Not actually American. Unless Di Marzio says so. Moderator

  15. Mark Tobias

    Mark Tobias Mmhmm yes, I agree

    Hey guys,

    I couldn't find a thread for this. Please move this if there is one.

    What is everyone's thoughts on VAR. I for one think it is time but there is a uniqueness to football that needs to be spared from tainting.

    For example, the counter attack. A decision to stop the game to check for a decision may in fact hinder a potential counter attack for the opposition. One way to negate this is to have an appeal system. A set amount of appeals per team would be allowed. Of course this opens the door for more problems such as tactical time wasting using appeals and breaking opponents momentum by appealing something silly.


    I must be honest I am not well read on the types of VAR being tested and suggested for this sport. I'd love more info. I just know the reffing in the EPL is now at an all time low and we need a change.
     
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  16. Lookin' for a new Baby

    Lookin' for a new Baby New name pending...

    It might stop players blatantly diving for a penalty as they could be banned for it.
     
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  17. Ozil'sCloakOfInvisibility

    Ozil'sCloakOfInvisibility Closet Spurs Fan

    I'm very sceptical. Ultimately the decisions will still be made by clowns like Mike Dean, John Moss et al. The interpretation of the rules need scrutiny. Even using VAR, Lacazette's goal against Stoke can still be deemed offside or Hazard's penalty can still stay a penalty with pundits split down the middle regarding its validity. There are too many grey areas in offside and penalty decisions.
     
  18. Penn_

    Penn_ Well-Known Member

    What happened to an offside having to be a clear advantage? Or was this never a thing? Be it for or against I'd never want to see Lacazette's goal given as offside via VAR.

    Everything else should come down to a vote perhaps? If 2 out of 3 from the ref, fourth official and video ref decide that it is or isn't a penalty etc then that seems fair. Although I guess that could take a while and people seem really against the idea of fairness vs having too wait an extra minute or so.
     
  19. CurryFlavoured

    CurryFlavoured Well-Known Member

    I guess we're relying on the refs judgement on that one. Hopefully a competent ref can weigh that up correctly, but I see how it's tricky.

    Hopefully it can help with the really big calls - penalty decisions/dives, and goal deciding offside calls. Offside calls are pretty objective once you've seen a still shot, so it should help with that. I've always said that linesmen/women have a tough job with offside calls given the speed of play.

    Penalties, I'm not as hopeful for.
     
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  20. Toby Andrl

    Toby Andrl Part Time Stuttgart Fan

    There's VAR in the Bundesliga in every game since this season. It's been absolute shambles and I'll tell you why. Might end up being a bit lenghty...

    There's no clear rules on when the VAR comes in.
    Is it called upon by the on field referee?
    Does the VAR decide when to come in?
    Is it tied to certain situations, e.g. penalty decisions, red cards - or any situation?
    Is the on field referee obligated to contact the VAR in some cases or vice versa - or is it just random?

    All these things are absolutely unclear and it's created a mess, because all of the question I asked, all these things happened - and because of that, basically nothing has changed, it's just like another ref on the field or a linesman or whatever.

    game a) clear cut penalty, ref doesn't see it clearly, calls the VAR, he does see it, penalty given
    game b) clear cut penalty, ref doesn't see it clearly, doesn't call the VAR, VAR comes in by himself, penalty given
    game c) clear cut penalty, ref doesn't see it clearly, doesn't call VAR, VAR doesn't come in by himself, penalty not given
    game d) clear cut penalty, ref doesn't see it clearly, calls VAR, VAR doesn't see it, penalty not given
    game e) clear cut penalty, ref does see it, doesn't call VAR, gives penalty, VAR still comes in and penalty is then not given

    and it happens vice versa and with any foul.

    Being able to look at situations again on a video monitor, even in slow mo, doesn't make the refs any better. They still make the same wrong choices. It's just more complicated and muddled than ever going through multiple persons instead of only one. Competences and regulations regarding VAR are absolutely unclear and in the Bundesliga there's still the same amount of refereeing mistakes like before, if not even more.

    And I think the main problem with that isn't the fast pace of the modern game with which VAR can help. It's a factor, yes, but not the root factor.
    The root of the problem lies within corrupt FAs and ref associations, unclear rules to begin with, and even more muddled instructions on how to interpret and apply these rules, personal and association agendas and personal preference or antipathy of refs and not least media pressure. A guy behind a monitor influenced by all these things will still make the same mistakes as the guy on field with or without him.
     

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