Viktor Gyokeres: Gyokin All Over The World

[El Realista]

As it stands Havertz is still comfortably the best striker at the club and that says more about the other strikers than it does Kai.
Like I knew Gyok wouldnt translate exactly to the pl from the Portuguese league but I at least thought he could provide a threat jn behind and be somewhat explosive and dynamic, even if he'd struggle against deep blocks. But he hasn't even done that. Kai looks more explosive and able to get separation between himself and defenders.
Gyoks come to the biggest move of his career and looks so unathletic and overweight.
I don't really see what he offers or excells at. We needed an improvement of Kai and got a temu Chris Wood.

Pls people of England can you conquer again Ireland and restrict them the internet?

 

[Jason Jace]

When he's back as the starting striker I'll quote this.

That’s never happening, Gabriel Jesus with one leg has a better chance displacing Gyokeres than Havertz.

 

[2Smokeyy]

As it stands Havertz is still comfortably the best striker at the club and that says more about the other strikers than it does Kai.
Like I knew Gyok wouldnt translate exactly to the pl from the Portuguese league but I at least thought he could provide a threat jn behind and be somewhat explosive and dynamic, even if he'd struggle against deep blocks. But he hasn't even done that. Kai looks more explosive and able to get separation between himself and defenders.
Gyoks come to the biggest move of his career and looks so unathletic and overweight.
I don't really see what he offers or excells at. We needed an improvement of Kai and got a temu Chris Wood.

Appreciate the work you’re doing @grok is the post above a serious form of trolling?

Balance and honesty are needed now more than ever particularly in this thread.

 

[dka1]

@PrinzPoldi
@Mudi
@IrishGooner93
@Artemis

I see you've had a lot to say about a person that hasn't even played 10 games in the league.

Pray.....PRAY this brother doesn't settle in and start smacking in the goals. Because IF he does I'll remember all of the sissy ahhh BS all of you were going on about for the past few days.

@boonthegoon don't think I've missed you liking anything trying to paint Gyokeres badly.

Arsenal fans trying to SH!T on their own signing. Aren't you grown ass men? Experience should teach you by now that some players take time to bed in. Plus the guy cost less than Havertz and is on LESS wages, so I don't even want to hear comparisons.

FS.

 

[viktor]

very good analysis

 

[Fabregasm]

very good analysis

Not too sure I will agree with that. Literally on expectation of achieving close to his record at Sporting, we became ok with him matching Havertz goal scoring ratio and now we falling into the bracket of making excuses for him not to score before even kicking the ball.

It's not like we are seeing him in red hot form skinning and setting all defenders on fire to justify him not scoring.

 

[Artemis]

@dka1 why do you think that expecting a striker to do what he's literally paid to do is a bad thing? That's crazy.

And the fact that Goyk is a slow player is an objective fact. You can't dispute that. He is slow. If he was quicker, he would have scored more goals.

Anyway, he was Arteta's choice so I don't want any excuses from Arteta. Whether Goyk scores or not, I don't really care.

Arteta needs to bring home a major trophy no matter what. That's all I care about. I don't care if Goyk scores 0 goals until the end of the season. As long as there's a major trophy at the end of it.

 

[Haphazard]

Sorry what I meant to say is that I don't see Haaland doing anything that Gyok (or other stikers) aren't in terms of off the ball movement, anticipation and so on.

He's just faster, bigger, stronger and can jump higher than everyone who's marking him. A lot of the City players just loop it into the area like "f*ck it Erling up there somehwre" and it ends up being a solid chance created.

Haaland has elite off the ball movement and football IQ, his physical attributes obviously help a lot but if it were that easy every large striker would be scoring at the rate he does.

 

[Mohamed7]

I’ve significantly lowered my expectations of him since the Newcastle game.

Poor first touch, average pace, average link-up, poor in the air. He lacks the technical ability to be a proper target man and doesn’t have the explosive pace to exploit space. What we have is another defensive forward who gets praised more for running around and “stretching the defence” than for actual end product.

10–15 G/A for the season.

He’s different from Havertz, though — the only thing they share is the average output.

The output from others will need to compensate for our number 9s. Saka, the LW, and the No.10 will all have to produce big numbers if we’re to hit 80–90 league goals.

 

[PrinzPoldi]

@PrinzPoldi
@Mudi
@IrishGooner93
@Artemis

I see you've had a lot to say about a person that hasn't even played 10 games in the league.

Pray.....PRAY this brother doesn't settle in and start smacking in the goals. Because IF he does I'll remember all of the sissy ahhh BS all of you were going on about for the past few days.

@boonthegoon don't think I've missed you liking anything trying to paint Gyokeres badly.

Arsenal fans trying to SH!T on their own signing. Aren't you grown ass men? Experience should teach you by now that some players take time to bed in. Plus the guy cost less than Havertz and is on LESS wages, so I don't even want to hear comparisons.

FS.

Check my history... I did not say a bad thing about Gyokeres. All I mentioned were facts.

I kept saying give him time, then we judge.
Don't hype him up like Haaland and he will automatically score 30 goals for us.
I kept saying he needs time to adapt especially against PL defenders.
He is having problems to handle the PL defenders.

It is all you guys sugar-coating his short comings, and praise a "scorer" for doing everything but not scoring (yeah, big deal against Leeds). If you don't remember, let me remind you how harsh you guys treat Kai when he was not scoring.
In the end, Kai was brought here to be a midfielder, not a striker to score. Then he carried the team in the 2nd half of 23-34 season as a striker and this happened not long ago, but some hater would only remember the one game against Villa and brought this up repeatedly to show how bad he is.

Those are the ones who **** on our own signings... Like @viktor .

There is a long road for Gyokeres to prove a point, no need to hype him up.
Hard work is a minimum, and Kai worked harder than him but got more criticism than praise.

 

[jones]

Haaland has elite off the ball movement and football IQ, his physical attributes obviously help a lot but if it were that easy every large striker would be scoring at the rate he does.

There's no other player with the physical attributes of Haaland, no one's as fast or explosive with his frame. He does have good movement, finishing and ball striking but his physicality is what makes him special.

That and he's top 10 ugliest players in football since I started watching in the 90s. His parents aren't exactly lookers but he's fully come out of left field, that Roy Keane tackle on his dad must have damaged them genes or some ****.

 

[RandomHero84]

What a frustrating clip.

 

[IrishGooner93]

Pls people of England can you conquer again Ireland and restrict them the internet?

Ha.

Dunno why you guys are getting so precious about him. Anyone with any footballing knowledge can see he's awful and completely out of his depth.
If we signed him from Chelsea and was playing like this the pitchforks would be out. He's championship standard at best.

 

[Fabregasm]

Ha.

Dunno why you guys are getting so precious about him. Anyone with any footballing knowledge can see he's awful and completely out of his depth.
If we signed him from Chelsea and was playing like this the pitchforks would be out. He's championship standard at best.

Being realistic right now he is at Mitrovic, Pukki level kind of striker, will score tons in Championship level but roughly around 10-15 league goals per season in EPL. It's all up to Arteta if he can improve him up to the efficiency level like Vardy when he came from Championship

 

[<<reed>>]

Has this been shared yet?

 

[<<reed>>]

As it stands Havertz is still comfortably the best striker at the club and that says more about the other strikers than it does Kai.
Like I knew Gyok wouldnt translate exactly to the pl from the Portuguese league but I at least thought he could provide a threat jn behind and be somewhat explosive and dynamic, even if he'd struggle against deep blocks. But he hasn't even done that. Kai looks more explosive and able to get separation between himself and defenders.
Gyoks come to the biggest move of his career and looks so unathletic and overweight.
I don't really see what he offers or excells at. We needed an improvement of Kai and got a temu Chris Wood.

"explosive" is probably the last adjective I would use to describe Kai's playstyle

 

[Kuroske]

Ha.

Dunno why you guys are getting so precious about him. Anyone with any footballing knowledge can see he's awful and completely out of his depth.
If we signed him from Chelsea and was playing like this the pitchforks would be out. He's championship standard at best.

Anyone with a bit of footballing knowledge can see that he’s keeping two centre-backs busy and freeing Saka from being double- or even triple-teamed.

His presence in the box also gives Rice, Eze, and the others more space to take long shots. It’s been a long time since I’ve seen Saka in a true 1v1 without extra defenders dropping in to help out.

You could also make the case that Ødegaard has been performing better since Gyökeres became our striker.

 

[Kuroske]

Yes, he has his shortcomings — his first touch is hideous and he’s not the most technical player. But his work rate and link-up in transitions are excellent. He’ll do the job for now, at least until we have a bigger war chest to replace him with a world-class forward.

 

[Dokaka]

very good analysis

I'm sorry but this is just not good analysis. This entire premise is based around Kai dropping deep in a vacuum where only he and 2 central defenders exist. Defenders like predictability, doesn't matter what flavor in comes in.

Benzema literally had several years of objectively **** production on paper because him dropping deep helped facilitate the other goal scorers to produce - mainly the wingers - the exact opposite of what that argument suggests is possible. Firmino is another example.

Your best attacking football under Arteta by some distance included Jesus being pretty much everywhere except centrally wrestling CBs. His play massively elevated Martinelli, arguably making things so easy for him he got a deal he didn't actually deserve.

The idea that Kai vacating the space at CF just makes the CBs go "cheers mate we'll relax for a bit" is hilarious though and just screams "I HAVE NEVER PLAYED FOOTBALL IN MY LIFE". I mean ffs if that's their response and there's no positional shift to deal with the new threat you'd genuinely lose 10/10 games

I get that some are looking to fend off over the top criticism of Gyokeres right now but I'm not sure "look, he's standing close to the CBs, SUGOI DESU NE!!" is an effective defense, especially not when you consider what teams playing with a more team-focused 9 have accomplished.

 

[Trilly]

Appreciate the work you’re doing @grok is the post above a serious form of trolling?

Balance and honesty are needed now more than ever particularly in this thread.

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The sad thing is a lot of these guys aren’t as silly as their posts are.

Take away the agendas and there’d be a lot more sense on this forum, it’s really the agendas that lead to people chatting absolute rubbish most of the time.

@dka1 check the correlation between the guys you came for in this thread and the their activity in the Kai thread and you’ll #notice something