Viktor Gyokeres: Gyokin All Over The World

[BenTal]

Surprised he's getting singled out here. Whole team were absolutely dire.

It's not that surprising. The team sucks when he plays. There is a clear pattern

 

[El Duderino]

I'm still giving him time, but today was poor until Tross came in no other way around it.

Whole team was bad, but you can still expect a bit more from him.

 

[MikelHadADream]

nah, I'm nipping this one on the bud.

Arteta called him to convince him, as well.

If he doesn't change his trajectory this is on everyone at the club, not just the DoF.

I’m convinced now they didn’t really fancy anyone in the CF market and just went for the cheapest guy who’ll be an honest hard worker.

Main focus was the strengthen the squad rather than any one position.

 

[Mudi]

Surprised he's getting singled out here. Whole team were absolutely dire.

As soon as Trossard came on, who kept looking to hit him early, he looked more effective. This feels so obvious to me. The chance he then had was very reminiscent of the way he attacks at Sporting.

I think he works terribly with Martinelli btw.

He doesn't work with Martinelli, Eze, Saka, Ødegaard, Merino, ....

When did it work for him?

 

[BaZZe]

The fact that he immidiately got more involved after we made changes should be proof enough that it's not all on him.

 

[El Duderino]

I’m convinced now they didn’t really fancy anyone in the CF market and just went for the cheapest guy who’ll be an honest hard worker.

Main focus was the strengthen the squad rather than any one position.

It's why the left winger was sort the best bet.

Like we were discussing in the match thread, what's the point in getting him if you're going to keep playing horse shoe football?

Might as well put Merino up front and get another midfielder, or maybe even play the one you signed in Nørgaard, and letting MLS/Calafiore off the hook defensively.

Jesus aside, this is starting to smell like another Kai "square peg in round holes" Havertz situation as far as center forwards go.

 

[ItaBic]

I'm still giving him time, but today was poor until Tross came in no other way around it.

Whole team was bad, but you can still expect a bit more from him.

more in first half there were atleast 6-7 balls/crosses (mainly from Saka but also a couple from Eze and Martinelli) were i expect atleast in 2 or 3 a very good striker need anticipate the defender and shoot , can score or not but atleast catch some balls that arrive in the middle of area....
till now total out from our style of play. for me Gyokeres and Ode are 2 problems at the moment..cause we need their find them form but we play worst when their play , not easy choises for Arteta.

 

[El Duderino]

The fact that he immidiately got more involved after we made changes should be proof enough that it's not all on him.

Both things can be true, player needs to do better and the team has to, as well.

 

[boonthegoon]

Has he been even worse than nunez? There were comparisons with him. Nunez was missing chances left and right but he used to at least get involved and create some chaos.

 

[LG10]

nah, I'm nipping this one on the bud.

Arteta called him to convince him, as well.

If he doesn't change his trajectory this is on everyone at the club, not just the DoF.

I am done with Arteta already guy is not a winner

 

[sdotzdot]

Plays like he's wearing Crocs.

Yeah this is what i dont get.

Were deep enough into the season, the guy has always looked slow, sluggish, weak and not sharp enough to get to the ball or the right place in the box.

This agenda that its everything under the Sun but him is crazy. Yes we could play better to his strengths but what is moreso prevalent he is just not technically or physically good enough so far and I dont see how that changes?

 

[nWoneri]

Surprised he's getting singled out here. Whole team were absolutely dire.

As soon as Trossard came on, who kept looking to hit him early, he looked more effective. This feels so obvious to me. The chance he then had was very reminiscent of the way he attacks at Sporting.

I think he works terribly with Martinelli btw.

Too many agendas mate. That is all.

This thread been brewing over past weeks even though this guy just came from an injury and is playing in a team that is on a very rough patch right now.

Nobody is even calling others out for their pathetic performance, yet I really don't see what Viktor could have done tonight with the chances they gave him.

Bad first half, zero involvement (team takes the blame there as well), second half much better and when he came off we started defending in our own half.

He brings a presence while on the pitch, we just need to persist and grow him into our play, otherwise he is on the route to become an even bigger scapegoat than Özil was.

 

[El Duderino]

more in first half there were atleast 6-7 balls/crosses (mainly from Saka but also a couple from Eze and Martinelli) were i expect atleast in 2 or 3 a very good striker need anticipate the defender and shoot , can score or not but atleast catch some balls that arrive in the middle of area....
till now total out from our style of play. for me Gyokeres and Ode are 2 problems at the moment..cause we need their find them form but we play worst when their play , not easy choises for Arteta.

The team did try to be more direct after that tough run of starting games and he was coming into *some* form.

Again, I'm not saying this isn't also on him, but we have a bunch of players that are being forced into situations where they're less likely to succeed.

 

[RandomHero84]

He doesn't work with Martinelli, Eze, Saka, Ødegaard, Merino, ....

When did it work for him?

It absolutely has not been working for him. But watching the game, we do not play his style at all. This confuses me totally. Surely people can see this?

I am not saying he's shown enough. I am not saying I am satisfied. What I am saying is that when we hit him early, he holds up play, turns and gets a decent snapshot off. When we get up the pitch fast, he links up fine.

But we never do that. In fact, we pulled out of most counter attacking opportunities and reverted to the foot on the ball stuff. Arteta keeps talking about playing to his strengths and how he will come good. But this is not happening in any sense. We do not attempt this.

We slow it down, let the box get crowded, and then force the play in a way that exposes his technical deficiencies. I just find this so odd.

When we suddenly realised the clock was running down, we upped the intensity and brought Trossard on, suddenly we see something that is more akin to his Sporting play.

It leaves me wondering - why did we sign this striker? Clearly Woltemade is a better fit for this, but if that's what we want, we already have Kai. I cannot reconcile these things with logic.

I think my current position is that I do not believe he will make it with Arsenal, yet I do believe he could bang goals in the premier league.

 

[PrinzPoldi]

Agree. But I just think it's not good enough from Arteta. Ultimately we have this striker for this season. When he's on the pitch the team should adapt their style to suit him. If he'd lost the ball a load of times in the first half I'd accept the criticism but we offered nothing to him

Have everyone to adapt to him??

 

[MikelHadADream]

It's why the left winger was sort the best bet.

Like we were discussing in the match thread, what's the point in getting him if you're going to keep playing horse shoe football?

Might as well put Merino up front and get another midfielder, or maybe even play the one you signed in Nørgaard, and letting MLS/Calafiore off the hook defensively.

Jesus aside, this is starting to smell like another Kai "square peg in round holes" Havertz situation as far as center forwards go.

I was asking these questions in the summer. Just couldn’t see them changing the way we play to accommodate someone so limited. To be honest I don’t think Arteta would change our style of play if we signed Mbappe.

They just wanted a body there and Gyok was the cheapest.

 

[Batman]

I have to be consistent. Just as I don't accept the notion that Nelli should need his hand held by the left 8 and lb, Gyok has got to try to make it work with whomever is out there. If it was just a case of a pure lack of service then that would be one thing. He's losing nearly every duel with players who he should be rag dolling. That cross Saka put in during the first half is exactly what he was signed to score and he wasn't close because he didn't anticipate the cross quickly enough.

I have a lot of time for him as a concept but we're at a stage where regardless of anything going on around him, he's got to show something and he really hasn't at all since he's been back from injury. With Jesus fit(hopefully for a while at least) and Havertz nearing fitness, I don't think he has long to make the case that he should continue starting. We've got to get something from that position and he's presently not giving us what he was before he was injured.

 

[DanDare]

Have everyone to adapt to him??

I mean yeah if we want to play the best we can. By adapt I mean play early balls and crosses for him to attack instead of passing in a horseshoe of death around Championship destined teams with no intention of attacking

I don't mean we need to change the club ethos and total playing style

 

[El Duderino]

I was asking these questions in the summer. Just couldn’t see them changing the way we play to accommodate someone so limited. To be honest I don’t think Arteta would change our style of play if we signed Mbappe.

They just wanted a body there and Gyok was the cheapest.

Square pegs. The forward he is looking for is either too expensive or doesn't exist.

Break before he bends situation, but I dislike this spreading the goals around thing, at least the amount we're doing it, specially since we don't create a lot.

Always feels like you're risking it drying up for everyone because you don't have a guy who's sole focus is on scoring, or who isn't clinical in front of goal.

It is what it is, this is Artetas hill to die on if we don't get it over the line, but this all feels very deja vu-ish.

 

[El Duderino]

I mean yeah if we want to play the best we can. By adapt I mean play early balls and crosses for him to attack instead of passing in a horseshoe of death around Championship destined teams with no intention of attacking

I don't mean we need to change the club ethos and total playing style

It's about adding more feathers to your cap.