Viktor Gyokeres: Gyokin All Over The World

[Flying Okapis]

He's been bad, but our build up and attack is so slow.

Today, though.. Wolves are parking the bus, and the tactic is to have Saliba and Hincapie go stand next to Gyokeres, all flat and the ball never gets put into the box?

Low block + Gyokeres = a bad time, but then kill all the space by adding two CB's, it's a strange approach.

 

[Mudi]

It absolutely has not been working for him. But watching the game, we do not play his style at all. This confuses me totally. Surely people can see this?

I am not saying he's shown enough. I am not saying I am satisfied. What I am saying is that when we hit him early, he holds up play, turns and gets a decent snapshot off. When we get up the pitch fast, he links up fine.

But we never do that. In fact, we pulled out of most counter attacking opportunities and reverted to the foot on the ball stuff. Arteta keeps talking about playing to his strengths and how he will come good. But this is not happening in any sense. We do not attempt this.

We slow it down, let the box get crowded, and then force the play in a way that exposes his technical deficiencies. I just find this so odd.

When we suddenly realised the clock was running down, we upped the intensity and brought Trossard on, suddenly we see something that is more akin to his Sporting play.

It leaves me wondering - why did we sign this striker? Clearly Woltemade is a better fit for this, but if that's what we want, we already have Kai. I cannot reconcile these things with logic.

I think my current position is that I do not believe he will make it with Arsenal, yet I do believe he could bang goals in the premier league.

Play against his strength?

What can we do if teams sit deep and we play on posession. It's like defending Martinelli because we don't play to his strength, namely playing on the counter.

We will have 75% of the games the control of the game and teams will be sitting back. So he needs to be able to position himself to the right place right time. He will not have the space to get the ball and turn and face the defenders. That space is not there in England. So the only thing he needs to be able to do is to make sure that he is at the right end of the crosses, just like the goal scorer of Wolves ...

 

[TakeChillPill]

Second half performance fills me with hope.

But as other posters have said we're far too slow in our build up and we don't have the ability to beat low blocks because technically we're not strong enough to play quick 1-2 passes.

However as the second half showed when we tried to get him the ball early he livened up the whole team. He's a decisive player and we need desicive players around him

If our players actually aimed for him more directly I can definitely see him making things happen.

As Henry said you have to want to win more than wanting not to lose. And I feel with Arteta whole setup we're focused on the latter than philosophically we simply can't get the best out of a player like him.

 

[DanDare]

Play against his strength?

What can we do if teams sit deep and we play on posession. It's like defending Martinelli because we don't play to his strength, namely playing on the counter.

We will have 75% of the games the control of the game and teams will be sitting back. So he needs to be able to position himself to the right place right time. He will not have the space to get the ball and turn and face the defenders. That space is not there in England. So the only thing he needs to be able to do is to make sure that he is at the right end of the crosses, just like the goal scorer of Wolves ...

Except we didn't cross the ball to him. He expects crosses so little that when Saka out that amazing cross in, he's on his heels

What we can do if teams sit deep is try things. We didn't try anything basically in the first half.

 

[El Duderino]

because technically we're not strong enough to play quick 1-2 passes.

I think we're technically proficient to do that, but it's a tactical thing.

Martinelli and Havertz are where our build up goes to die, but when you simplify stuff and have either of them just as giving it a single touch, two at most, they look a lot better.

Problem is when they have to run at players and not away from them.

 

[Mudi]

Except we didn't cross the ball to him. He expects crosses so little that when Saka out that amazing cross in, he's on his heels

What we can do if teams sit deep is try things. We didn't try anything basically in the first half.

We hade some chances first half.

The cross from Saka, he needs to be there.
The chance of Martinelli, he needs to be there.

Always a yard of 2 too short. That's what he needs to improve.

 

[RandomHero84]

He doesn't work with Martinelli, Eze, Saka, Ødegaard, Merino, ....

When did it work for him?

Play against his strength?

What can we do if teams sit deep and we play on posession. It's like defending Martinelli because we don't play to his strength, namely playing on the counter.

We will have 75% of the games the control of the game and teams will be sitting back. So he needs to be able to position himself to the right place right time. He will not have the space to get the ball and turn and face the defenders. That space is not there in England. So the only thing he needs to be able to do is to make sure that he is at the right end of the crosses, just like the goal scorer of Wolves ...

We obviously saw the game differently, because I saw PLENTY of transitions killed by us. Martinelli was crap, but I actually think you could defend him on the basis that clearly, Trossard is the choice to start against such an obvious deep block. I am in no way saying Gyok has been good, but I am saying that we do not move the ball forward quick enough in transitions where the block is fragmented.

 

[DanDare]

We hade some chances first half.

The cross from Saka, he needs to be there.
The chance of Martinelli, he needs to be there.

Always a yard of 2 too short. That's what he needs to improve.

He definitely should get on the end of that cross from Saka but if we had put in 3 or 4 maybe he does get on the end of some.

If you're talking about when Martinrlli skinned Doherty and shot wide then it's totally unreasonable to expect him to score from Martinellis shot lol

 

[BenTal]

It's good to support any Arsenal player. I get it. But him and Matinelli are so bad. This is a game against the worst team in the league. They both played horrible against one of the worst teams in UCL as well. So, it is ok to admit it and expect them to go back to bench

 

[DanDare]

We obviously saw the game differently, because I saw PLENTY of transitions killed by us. Martinelli was crap, but I actually think you could defend him on the basis that clearly, Trossard is the choice to start against such an obvious deep block. I am in no way saying Gyok has been good, but I am saying that we do not move the ball forward quick enough in transitions where the block is fragmented.

Yep, we need a left footer on the left who can pass forward quickly (like MLS did that one time)

Rice will never do that, he likes to run with the ball but when a teams determined to low block and has only been disrupted a bit by the time Rice has run with the ball (and his very one footedness) the opportunity is gone

 

[El Duderino]

It's good to support any Arsenal player. I get it. But him and Matinelli are so bad. This is a game against the worst team in the league. They both played horrible against one of the worst teams in UCL as well. So, it is ok to admit it and expect them to go back to bench

The whole team was poor on both occasions?

 

[ArsenalInMyHeart]

 

[Trilly]

Some days it’s more his fault other days it’s the teams. Think today was the latter.

 

[BenTal]

The whole team was poor on both occasions?

No, the UCL game changed completely when they both got subbed off. This game would have been changed way better if again we subbed off both. They have zero capabilities on the ball

 

[RandomHero84]

This is pretty much what is being said on the forum outside of the "he's ****" bit. Which is less analysis, and more histrionics. He is to be used to create chaos. Not as another cog in a technical, metronomic horse shoe that we have done for a couple of years already. Hit him early when he sits on the shoulder in transition. If he doesn't score, someone who wins the second ball might.

Anything but what we are doing. The odd thing is the dissonance between Artetas words, and what we see.

 

[Mudi]

What's the excuse?

Why is he not on level with the defenders? Even Rice is higher on the pitch ...

 

[El Duderino]

No, the UCL game changed completely when they both got subbed off. This game would have been changed way better if again we subbed off both. They have zero capabilities on the ball

....Martinelli literally scored a worldie against bruge?

 

[BenTal]

....Martinelli literally scorees a worldie against bruge?

Yeah, that's the problem with people like you that see one goal but can't see the whole crappy performance

 

[El Duderino]

This is pretty much what is being said on the forum outside of the "he's ****" bit. Which is less analysis, and more histrionics. He is to be used to create chaos. Not as another cog in a technical, metronomic horse shoe that we have done for a couple of years already. Hit him early when he sits on the shoulder in transition. If he doesn't score, someone who wins the second ball might.

Anything but what we are doing. The odd thing is the dissonance between Artetas words, and what we see.

Even the manager agrees that we need to create more for him, lol.

Classic AM hivemind stuff.

 

[El Duderino]

Yeah, that's the problem with people like you that see one goal but can't see the whole crappy performance

I'm literally one of his biggest critics I just don't go around like a parrot like you do because it suits my agenda.