West Ham: Nu(no) Manager

[A_G]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1797988562564272200

 

[Thrice]

I think he needs help, tbh. Lifelong ban seems harsh in the grand scheme of things. I doubt he had evil intentions or this was part of some sinister conspiracy. He probably just can't help himself.

 

[Dokaka]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1797988562564272200

Dude argues exactly like Rasmi, just keeps repeating the same **** until people give up

 

[Menard]

Did nobody actually read the article? Paqueta didn't bet £7 on himself personally, it says 60 different people placed bets, one of them being for £7. Sounds like it was probably something he started doing to hook up a close circle of friends with extra cash, then word spread and things got completely out of hand.

 

[Malky]

It's sad because it's obviously a serious addiction, given he literally did it for the thrill of it with small **** bets etc.

Doesn't mean he doesn't deserve a lifetime ban, because he does if the allegations are true, but gambling addiction is a real problem and if we always just go "look at the dumb **** lmao" whenever people get exposed for it, we don't exactly create an environment that is conducive to making things better.

It's possible to condemn this while still seeing the human side of it.

It’s not an addiction, people need to stop trying to justify this ****.
He picks and chooses his moments when to do it. Tell me a “ serious addiction “ where over the course of a year or so you only do it a handful of times and can switch off for weeks, even months?
Nah, not having it.
If it’s such a serious addiction that he needs help with, why’d there no cases of him doing it with the national side?

As @Menard said above, he’s obviously done it to help his mates make a quick pound and he’s been caught.

 

[Menard]

I mean gambling certainly can be and often is an addiction, but I just don't see it in this case. The guy wasn't on some Uncut Gems **** getting high off the thrill/risk of gambling huge sums, he was just engaging in naked corruption and that's really all there seems to be to it. I mean can you even really call it gambling if the bets are on something he has total control over? It's like me putting a fiver on myself having a w*nk later tonight then acting thrilled when I win. A decade+ ban seems well justified in this case. The only thing I could see mitigating this is if he could prove he was victim of some sort of organized crime extortion ring where his family/friends still in Brazil were being threatened with violence if he didn't play along with their game.

 

[Malky]

I mean gambling certainly can be and often is an addiction, but I just don't see it in this case. The guy wasn't on some Uncut Gems **** getting high off the thrill/risk of gambling huge sums, he was just engaging in naked corruption and that's really all there seems to be to it. I mean can you even really call it gambling if the bets are on something he has total control over? It's like me putting a fiver on myself having a w*nk later tonight then acting thrilled when I win. A decade+ ban seems well justified in this case. The only thing I could see mitigating this is if he could prove he was victim of some sort of organized crime extortion ring where his family/friends still in Brazil were being threatened with violence if he didn't play along with their game.

I've seen the outcome of gambling addiction and how it can destroy people and ruin lifes, but this isn't anywhere near that sort of level. Like you said, is it even an addiction when he's in full control the whole time, he's also only doing it periodically, it's all carefully planned out. The guy was even deciding he was doing it, notifying the people placing the bets, giving himself a few days to reflect on it, then walking on the pitch and doing it anyway.
Maybe there was a thrill element to it, but it's no different from someone who enjoys the thrill of a rollercoaster - just because they enjoy it and get a kick out of it doesn't mean they're standing outside Alton Towers every other day waiting on it opening.

 

[Deleted member x1214]

I've seen the outcome of gambling addiction and how it can destroy people and ruin lifes

Then it's actually quite shocking that you have these takes tbh. Gambling triggers all the same receptors in the brain as drugs do, the difference is there is no substance involved and it's legal which makes it far more accessible and worse.

One of the key behavioral traits about gambling addiction (or any) is lying and hiding bets, so these are just the ones we the public know about. This is why you can't look at these patterns and claim you can spot the difference between the odd irresponsible thrill and a pathological gambler as you're not in his head.

I'd encourage you (and others eager to class this as straight up corruption or otherwise) to actually read up on the subject and I am not saying this to be patronising.

 

[Riou]

My guy @Sapient Hawk gave both these very opposite posts and applause emoji lol...

Not really a sad story, the dumb **** knew he was risking his career with what he was doing.
Too bad he couldn't use some of his salary to buy brain cells before he threw his career down the toilet.

It's sad because it's obviously a serious addiction, given he literally did it for the thrill of it with small **** bets etc.

Doesn't mean he doesn't deserve a lifetime ban, because he does if the allegations are true, but gambling addiction is a real problem and if we always just go "look at the dumb **** lmao" whenever people get exposed for it, we don't exactly create an environment that is conducive to making things better.

It's possible to condemn this while still seeing the human side of it.

I guess you could say he was, "spread betting"...

 

[Menard]

Mate it is factually by the book corruption, regardless of whether addiction is involved or not. A politician selling votes may well be using the money for his outrageous coke addiction and may deserve sympathy, but he is still factually corrupt. I know you think you're giving us all some enlightened progressive view here but your bizarre "we're not actually in his head so therefore we can't make any judgement" line is solipsistic enough to be actually meaningless. Nobody is saying the guys a terrible human who needs to rot in jail, but you can't allow this stuff to creep in the game and just write it off with a 6 week rehab program and a slap on the wrist.

 

[Malky]

Then it's actually quite shocking that you have these takes tbh. Gambling triggers all the same receptors in the brain as drugs do, the difference is there is no substance involved and it's legal which makes it far more accessible and worse.

One of the key behavioral traits about gambling addiction (or any) is lying and hiding bets, so these are just the ones we the public know about. This is why you can't look at these patterns and claim you can spot the difference between the odd irresponsible thrill and a pathological gambler as you're not in his head.

I'd encourage you (and others eager to class this as straight up corruption or otherwise) to actually read up on the subject and I am not saying this to be patronising.

By the same standards, people also can't claim he's got a gambling addiction as theres no evidence for that either. Going on facts that we've been presented with so far he's only been doing it periodically.
Untill we know more details about his gambling habits its unfair to claim that this is in anyway similar to that of a genuine addict.
Paqueta has been acused of breaches of spot fixing 4 times across a season, he's been investigated for 9 months to build the case yet not other mentions of him gambling. His bets are all traced back to where he grew up in Brazil, so its fair to assume he's either being bribed or hes doing it to help out family/friends. Also compare that to Tonali who placed 40 odd bets in the space of a few months. Thats an addiction.
Paqueta is more like organised crime.

 

[Kuroske]

Did nobody actually read the article? Paqueta didn't bet £7 on himself personally, it says 60 different people placed bets, one of them being for £7. Sounds like it was probably something he started doing to hook up a close circle of friends with extra cash, then word spread and things got completely out of hand.

It does not matter if he had place bet for self gain or just to hooked up his buddy's. What he did is many times worse then gambling on other football games.

 

[Dokaka]

Mate it is factually by the book corruption, regardless of whether addiction is involved or not. A politician selling votes may well be using the money for his outrageous coke addiction and may deserve sympathy, but he is still factually corrupt. I know you think you're giving us all some enlightened progressive view here but your bizarre "we're not actually in his head so therefore we can't make any judgement" line is solipsistic enough to be actually meaningless. Nobody is saying the guys a terrible human who needs to rot in jail, but you can't allow this stuff to creep in the game and just write it off with a 6 week rehab program and a slap on the wrist.

Not a single person has argued for leniency here.

 

[Menard]

Not a single person has argued for leniency here.

Good, we're on the same page then.

By the same standards, people also can't claim he's got a gambling addiction as theres no evidence for that either. Going on facts that we've been presented with so far he's only been doing it periodically.
Untill we know more details about his gambling habits its unfair to claim that this is in anyway similar to that of a genuine addict.
Paqueta has been acused of breaches of spot fixing 4 times across a season, he's been investigated for 9 months to build the case yet not other mentions of him gambling. His bets are all traced back to where he grew up in Brazil, so its fair to assume he's either being bribed or hes doing it to help out family/friends. Also compare that to Tonali who placed 40 odd bets in the space of a few months. Thats an addiction.
Paqueta is more like organised crime.

I would like your post based on what you typed, but unfortunately since I'm not inside of your head and able to say with 100% certainty what you meant I can't render any sort of judgement.

 

[Deleted member x1214]

Good, we're on the same page then.




I would like your post based on what you typed, but unfortunately since I'm not inside of your head and able to say with 100% certainty what you meant I can't render any sort of judgement.

I hope that for your own peace of mind that Paqueta gets the adequate punishment to uphold the integrity of Premiership football.

 

[Menard]

Great post mate. I can see you worked real hard to earn that dusted title. Keep at it.

 

[Sapient Hawk]

My guy @Sapient Hawk gave both these very opposite posts and applause emoji lol...




I guess you could say he was, "spread betting"...

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I'm renowned for my patience, but you're really starting to test its limits

 

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