What about the Midfield?

Discussion in 'Arsenal Talk' started by krackpot, Mar 7, 2018.

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What should be our priority?

  1. Defense

    36.4%
  2. Midfield

    63.6%
  1. DanDare

    DanDare Spreading positive vibes

    ....?

    edit: oh Xhaka
     
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  2. Longy

    Longy Well-Known Member

    We need a disciplined defensive minded midfielder who still has the
    I had high hopes for Xhaka but he simply isn't that player. (Kanye or even dembele like)

    Jack does everything Xhaka does but better. They should be competing not partnering.
    Keep Ramsey out of the guts of our midfield, if you want to keep him let him compete with our forward line.
    The days of squaries and roundies is over.
    Fixing that core midfield will improve our backline immensely.


    DM/DLP - Elneny - AMN
    Jack - Xhaka - Willock
     
  3. krackpot

    krackpot Well-Known Member

    The problem then must be how they are set up,, or what they are instructed to do.

    Ramsey no longer stays in position but stays forward and relies on his stamina to rush back. If someone instructed him to move forward AFTER Özil/Mkhi get the ball, he could be even more dangerous. Nowadays he stands on the edge and waits for the ball, which is what a striker like OG would do.

    Wilshere has been underwhelming. He's not done any of his famous turns, which is one of his best tricks. Someone posted a video which shows how a good CM makes a difference.



    Diaby beats two players with a 'simple' play, runs ahead and scores. There are almost 8 AFC players still in our half so no risk of getting countered.
     
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  4. krackpot

    krackpot Well-Known Member

    Xhaka is much better than Jack defensively. We need someone else.

    Matic would have been perfect.
     
  5. scytheavatar

    scytheavatar Well-Known Member

    4 midfielders who can't defend...... play this if you want us to be crushed. For all the talk about a Cazorla replacement why don't we start talking about a Coquelin replacement? We have been badly missing the steel that an on-form Coquelin provides us......
     
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  6. YeahBee

    YeahBee Terrible hot takes

    They can defend just fine if the manager organizes the team to defend, We've seen much better performances out of em all, a competent coach will create an atmosphere where their average performances are higher and playing closer to their ceiling Skillwise

    Özil naturellt shouldn't have any such responsibility

    With the cm trio it will be good cover in the centre
     
  7. YeahBee

    YeahBee Terrible hot takes

    Yup they are told to play the way they do

    Or The very least they are not told when they are doing something wrong
     
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  8. YeahBee

    YeahBee Terrible hot takes

    Obviously el neny
     
  9. scytheavatar

    scytheavatar Well-Known Member

    That's like expecting Walcott or Lacazette to become Henry because they have scored a couple of great goals.....

    Xhaka has always been rash in his tackling.

    Wilshere has never been good at defending.

    Ramsey has been selfish and doesn't want to defend, something some fans actually support cause they think muh goals is all we need from Ramsey.

    A midfield with the 3 of them will always be soft and a recipe for disaster.
     
  10. YeahBee

    YeahBee Terrible hot takes

    Paddy was rash early to
    It is something You can Iron out
    If santi can play CM so can jack (and he has been doing it for his whole career )

    Ramsey got the tools for sure, we just need to rein in his bombruns
    He frekkin lead the leagues in suc tackles with yaya one point in time

    And you are downplaying them actually being 3 in midfield, on a line so jack and Ramsey have easy access to the flanks
    Xhaka only dropping slightly

    It is not a CDM behind Two cms
    That can be used sparingly vs the bigger sides
     
    Last edited: Mar 8, 2018
  11. BobP

    BobP Favre Fan

    Diaby's don't grow on trees.
     
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  12. scytheavatar

    scytheavatar Well-Known Member

    Vieira got red cards early in his career but also from day 1 he has been an artist at making fouls...... plus Vieira is far more athletic than Xhaka. Xhaka is slow and clumsy, that is something which can never been ironed out. Also Cazorla is short but packs a lot more strength than he looks. He's able to outmuscle midfielders bigger than him the way Wilshere can't, and his workrate is better than Wilshere too.

    But ultimately the problem is that none of these 3 are Vieira/Cesc/Arteta/Cazorla, none of them have the intelligence and ability to read the game that we used to have in our midfield. As a result they are constantly out of position and our midfield is often a complete mess. Our team would be playing much better if we still have a fit Arteta or Cazorla playing for us.
     
  13. Newchange

    Newchange Active Member

    We all know how much Wenger loves Özil, so why wont he protect him? why wont he put 2 bullys in the middle and allow Özil to "express himself" Playing Özil & Miki in the same team means you need 2 workhorses who dominate the midfield. I feel the front 3 shouldn't have defensive responsibility. All they should do is press and get into shape when needed. But as far as tracking runners and making tackles its not their strengths. So play to their strengths!
     
  14. The_Playmaker

    The_Playmaker Well-Known Member

    If they don't track runners and make tackles they may as Well not play. They just need insurance for if they get dribbled. I.e 2 dominant centre backs and Fabinho
     
  15. Newchange

    Newchange Active Member

    Fabinho alone wont be enough hes not kante but no doubt hes a HUGE improvement. Of course the forwards will make tackles and be busy but id rather my midfield have the responsibility of tracking runners and being the start of our defensive base. Özil & Miki are not those players who press with inesitity
     
  16. Brown Gooner

    Brown Gooner DoN'T ceNsOR maH FreE SpEecH

    I think a better manager would be able to get the best out of our defenders however signing a good defensive midfielder in the transfer window is very important. Elneny is the closest in our current team to play that role and that speaks for itself.

    DM and Wingers are the positions that need urgent reinforcements in the summer.
     
  17. Jojoba

    Jojoba Well-Known Member

    Ramsey? How far we have sunk when people think Ramsey is Arsenal quality. We have had the likes of Vieira, petit, Bergkamp, Cesc, Santi, Rosicky, Gilberto and even Diaby etc. Now we are at Ramsey level.
     
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  18. c00lguy

    c00lguy Well-Known Member

    If we buy 2 DM's in the summer I'd consider trying a 4-2-3-1 formation. That's a big if because currently we don't have the players to suit it.
    It would give protection to our back 4 and it would provide freedom for the attackers.
     
  19. Camron

    Camron Well-Known Member

    Looking at our own crop of academy midfielders, I'd really love to see Ben Sheaf in our midfield. Impressive physicial presence and great feet. Unfortunately he is on loan (good for him though). We should be out for a quality DM that can help our youngsters grow alongside them.
     
  20. YeahBee

    YeahBee Terrible hot takes

    Well the midfield I wanted was fielded tonight

    but they kinda went out of their way to disprove my point, I say players these days are too concernerd with social media :p

    Xhaka was all over the place

    Jack sought out players to dribble and loose the ball to!

    Ramsey was actually pretty disciplined

    part of the problem is playing two ACMs

    Özil should be there alone, the area gets crowded and no room for jack/ramsey to move up

    Mkith was at his best when he was out wide anyway
     

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