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This would be a classic under the radar (somewhat) Wenger signing tbh. Rumours of Khedira, Schneiderlin, Vidal (lol), etc and then just sign this guy instead.
GDeep said:Flamini makes sense if you consider him a utility man type with Arteta being phased out for a new guy.
The_Playmaker said:I think most would be happy worth any of those players. Right now although not convinced by Carvalho on the ball I'm leaning towards him simply because he offers protection to Wilshere, ox and Diaby. His youth and the fact he can play centre back is also a factor.
I Would be happier with Schneiderlin, carvalho or Bender. I Don't think Khedira is what we need.
MutableEarth said:The_Playmaker said:I think most would be happy worth any of those players. Right now although not convinced by Carvalho on the ball I'm leaning towards him simply because he offers protection to Wilshere, ox and Diaby. His youth and the fact he can play centre back is also a factor.
I Would be happier with Schneiderlin, carvalho or Bender. I Don't think Khedira is what we need.
Bender doesn't seem that great on the ball either to be honest, from what I've seen, but that isn't a lot. Most people who've watched Carvalho have said that he's an excellent passer, and that distribution is one of his strong points. I have to see more, but he's certainly not bad on the ball from what I've seen.
jones said:MutableEarth said:The_Playmaker said:I think most would be happy worth any of those players. Right now although not convinced by Carvalho on the ball I'm leaning towards him simply because he offers protection to Wilshere, ox and Diaby. His youth and the fact he can play centre back is also a factor.
I Would be happier with Schneiderlin, carvalho or Bender. I Don't think Khedira is what we need.
Bender doesn't seem that great on the ball either to be honest, from what I've seen, but that isn't a lot. Most people who've watched Carvalho have said that he's an excellent passer, and that distribution is one of his strong points. I have to see more, but he's certainly not bad on the ball from what I've seen.
Carvalho certainly isn't bad on the ball just because he doesn't distribute the ball like Xavi in his pomp.
Classic Playmaker post, likening a player he's only seen in compilations to Lee ******* Cattermole.
The_Playmaker said:I Would be happier with Schneiderlin, carvalho or Bender. I Don't think Khedira is what we need.
The_Playmaker said:Classic Jones, making assumptions. I haven't seen much of Carvalho at all, especially since I don't watch the Portuguese league. I'm judging him on when I have seen him play for Portugal, which also isn't that much. However, you don't need to watch someone 40 times to come to a conclusion as to whether they are good on the ball or not. He definitely isn't bad, but what I'm asking is whether he is good 'enough' or is this another M'Vila situation?
If someone has watched him for a sustained period of time and can genuinely comment on his ball retention under pressure as well his forward passing, then I'll listen. Having tidy distribution and being Okay on the ball isn't enough for our holder. We commit two full backs forward, our wide players, and Ramsey. The holder doesn't need Xavi level passing, but the responsibility in the shoulders of our deepest midfield player is immense.
It requires confidence in ones footballing ability which Arteta has along with very well weighted passes. I haven't seen anything above standard when it comes to Carvalho in that regard and if we are going to pay upwards of 25 million pounds then that should be something he should be able to do as well as Arteta, whether he has brute strength or not.
jones said:The_Playmaker said:Classic Jones, making assumptions. I haven't seen much of Carvalho at all, especially since I don't watch the Portuguese league. I'm judging him on when I have seen him play for Portugal, which also isn't that much. However, you don't need to watch someone 40 times to come to a conclusion as to whether they are good on the ball or not. He definitely isn't bad, but what I'm asking is whether he is good 'enough' or is this another M'Vila situation?
If someone has watched him for a sustained period of time and can genuinely comment on his ball retention under pressure as well his forward passing, then I'll listen. Having tidy distribution and being Okay on the ball isn't enough for our holder. We commit two full backs forward, our wide players, and Ramsey. The holder doesn't need Xavi level passing, but the responsibility in the shoulders of our deepest midfield player is immense.
It requires confidence in ones footballing ability which Arteta has along with very well weighted passes. I haven't seen anything above standard when it comes to Carvalho in that regard and if we are going to pay upwards of 25 million pounds then that should be something he should be able to do as well as Arteta, whether he has brute strength or not.
Not making assumptions, merely commenting on your hang to continually slag off every other player we're linked to without really watching them. You don't need to watch a full season of a player to form an opinion, but strongly voicing dissent against a player which you haven't watched more than two or three times really shouldn't surprise you.
jones said:Yes, I am merely commenting on something that I've seen in a lot of threads, and, to be fair, not only you do, you're just one of the more prominent ones due to your series of posts in the Diego Costa thread.
Not trying to have a go at you, but I don't understand the urge a lot of posters here have to talk about players they have barely watched, simply don't comment at all or do so with the corresponding attitude, not this "I have watched 30 minutes of him playing spread over five games but he's ****" bollocks, irritating for people who actually watch said players.
Interesting insight from Portuguese contacts tonite re Carvalho to Arsenal: I'm told clubs are 10m apart on valuation and AFC won't budge.
Source close to Sporting believe they should take Arsenal offer of 24m. Lisbon club holding out for 34m. Deal won't happen at that price.
Tony Leen:
@tonyleen: Source close to Sporting believe they should take Arsenal offer of 24m. Lisbon club holding out for 34m. Deal won't happen at that price.