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Willianel Messi: Assist Machine

Discussion in 'Arsenal Talk' started by razörist, Mar 30, 2020.

  1. Macho

    Macho Has Trust Issues With Processes Trusted

    I’m not opposed to him being an option but I am disappointed Arteta seems to be leaning on him heavily.
    This guy is tired and uninspiring. Hopefully one of our younger options seizes the opportunity to give Arteta no choice and force him out the side.
     
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  2. squallman

    squallman Still Pining for Wenger

    I'm tired of the mentor talk with Willian. I feel like we've been down this same road with Cech, Mertesacker (Fa cup final notwithstanding was finished for two years before he retired), Luiz and Flamini.

    If a player isn't good enough, and this is Arsenal so everyone is going to get games because of injuries, and he is costing us points, then I really don't care how good he is in the dressing room. We always talk about intangibles that never seem to bare fruit on the pitch.

    What sort of message does it even send, when we have players talking a good game on the training pitch then the youngsters have to watch them stink up the joint every other Saturday afternoon?
     
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  3. GDeep™

    GDeep™ Dissociating

    You only hear the mentor/dressing room/influence talk when the player is crap.

    Don’t hear it about players who are performing, funny that.
     
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  4. kash2

    kash2 Obsessed With Jury

    dont forget Lichsteiner.
     
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  5. Trilly

    Trilly Full-Time Respecter Of Women Trusted

    So true.

    Why does nobody call Cr7 or Messi a great mentor to the younger players?:lol:

    I think the only time you make allowances for that is with defenders and even that is a stretch.
     
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  6. Riou

    Riou A-M's Resident Jobber

    I have definitely heard the dressing room mentor thing applying to good players...Adams and Keown was massive for Vieira back in 1996, like Paddy himself was for Cesc in 2004.

    I doubt Willian is going to be a good mentor really, Saka should benefit for shadowing him for a year though, peak Willian is what I would like Saka to become.
     
  7. celestis

    celestis Arsenal-Mania Veteran Moderator

    What puzzles me is why are making the old man run up and down the wing, just use Nelson
     
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  8. BigPoppaPump

    BigPoppaPump Points Out The Obvious

    Don't think Nelson is ready for that job, needs years more experience. Pepe is supposed to be the guy.
     
  9. celestis

    celestis Arsenal-Mania Veteran Moderator

    Nelson fits Arteta’s structure though Pepe is more a X factor guy
     
  10. kash2

    kash2 Obsessed With Jury

    It was Nelson who harassed VVD into mistakes in the previous game.
     
  11. Marjorie

    Marjorie Thread Monopolizer

    Lackluster
     
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  12. RacingPhoton

    RacingPhoton Well-Known Member

    Another player we will struggle to sell in the future transfer windows while he doesn't play and gets the paycheck.
     
    Last edited: Oct 4, 2020
  13. Football Manager

    Football Manager Copy & Paste Merchant

    We get him on a free at 32.

    If we get him at a younger age for £40m and struggle to sell later. I will consider this a failure.
     
  14. RacingPhoton

    RacingPhoton Well-Known Member

    What kind of logic is that? We still pay his salary and occupies a spot in the squad. Paying for someone who doesn't play is a failure.
     
  15. SA Gunner

    SA Gunner Hates Tierney And Wants Him Sold Immediately Trusted

    Willian was always a transitional player, much like any player we sign over 28/29 years of age.

    His movement off the ball and ideas are evident, his connection and cohesion not. He has the skill to adapt and I back him to.

    Good signing for our current situation.
     
  16. Football Manager

    Football Manager Copy & Paste Merchant

    (-£40m-salary)+£0m
    =Loss of (£40m+salary)


    -£0m-salary+£0m
    =Loss of (salary)
     
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  17. Kav

    Kav Well-Known Member

    Interesting point you raised as their games are very similar. Willian’s decision making is elite and Saka is growing in a similar vein. He should learn from the Brazilian as much as possible. He should also watch other wingers like Gnabry, Sane, Saint Maximin, Sterling, and copy elements of their game.

    Saka has such high potential not because of his skills per se but because of his mentality. It will take him very far.
     
  18. AberGooner

    AberGooner Well-Known Member

    Didn't do enough again today and these are the type of games you'd expect him to perform in.
     
  19. Mrs Bergkamp

    Mrs Bergkamp Established Member Trusted

    Only good when he moved inside. He's no good wide with our useless midfield.
     
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  20. RacingPhoton

    RacingPhoton Well-Known Member

    Loss of (salary) is still failure. Relatively better than Loss of (£40m+salary). But is still a failure. Look how hard it is to offload our deadwood.
     

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