Pepe LeFrits
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No, it's your opinion that there's two boxes. Maybe for fanatical fans, not for me. Football is a small part of my life. I'm not going to go around wearing a football jersey pretending it isn't.
Gurgen said:Pink=just not Arsenal
We're supposed to be cool not nancy.
Men don't wear pink. Period.
reggiepaul said:I agree with a lot of what you say and agree with the concept from where you're coming from johe although the last paragraph is a little away from the point. I agree that football is affected by fashion but not entirely. I'd say football does extend towards incorporating new designs and new ideas but not entirely on the basis of fashion - fashion which is more a question of the rage.
So I guess when people talk about fashion and football, we're not really talking about what football shirts are about. Most people if not all would buy a football shirt because of the team they support. The idea of fashion only arrives in to this debate because of the first post and the meaning of the thread, being - why would you wear a shirt and what would stop you from wearing a shirt.
Meaning, the whole idea of fashion arrived in this thread because it sparked the correct response I was looking for. I had pre-coneived that for some people the shirt is an element of fashion but because of also the added factor that many people choose the team on the basis of our popularity and success and how the teams successes makes the feel in society in general - but not for the whole concept of footballing support.
Meaning the fineline would arrive when something socially oriented, like a disgusting shirt, would stop them from buying the shirt. So their whole choice of the team is based upon the social circles and ideas they belong to. It's no longer individualistic or uniquely expressive but it's a way of looking better than other people for them.
johe said:Gurgen said:Pink=just not Arsenal
We're supposed to be cool not nancy.
Men don't wear pink. Period.
Now that IS a fashion-thing. Even though it might not be so, it sounds like you support Arsenal because they're "cool". It is said you don't pick your club, your club picks you.
Of course one can be a football fan and never ever wear the shirt or anything club related, because you don't like the colour of it, but I don't think one should be embarressed that your club has ugly colours on it's jersey, because that's not the reason we support the club. If Arsenal were bloody half green half yellow with pink shorts and cyan socks, we wouldn't say "Oh my, those kits are awful, let's go support manure with their nice new kits".
slapz said:Pink worked for everton about 8 years ago.. we could have it and call it "Salmon"
reggiepaul said:Rupert said:Would I wear a pink shirt? Would I f**k! We're the boys in red and white!
OK, let me make is simpler for you.
What if your mum made the colours run in the wash and it came out pink would you be shocked and say "Hey mama, wa ya dun ti mi shirt, i an i will git nyaa punani eee hee"
To which your mum will reply "SHUDDUP!!" clipping you around the head "you wear dee shirt wid pride bwoy not for fee colour, nyaa git me some yam yams and sweet potato ya hee?"
The point is no matter what colour the club represent - you wear it, because it's arsenal!
reggiepaul said:This is interesting.
I just want to check what means most to a person and how much wearing a shirt means to them. For instance - what comes first to mind when you buy the shirt, the feeling it is part of the club or would it match whatever else you're wearing?
I have seen some people wear some vile shirts from other clubs, but they still wear them. I didn't like the yellow shirt but I still wanted it because it was an arsenal shirt. There have been some awful shirts, I didn't like the blue away one we recently had - but I still bought it because the shirt represents a lot about the team and club. The team wear it for instance and it outlines exactly what we stand for in terms of football because it goes wherever Arsenal go. It is a clear reminder of what we are. Like a uniform of sorts. Yes, now we enter territory of some sort of tribal feel but in football there is one thing that is clear - the shirt you wear highlights the team you support.
If pink was our colour, it would be all over the stadium, the colour of the seats and the colour of our merchandise. It will represent the club as the major colour - so all the shirts will be that colour.
So basically this thread outlines whether you are involved in Arsenal on an individual level or on a social level to show off to people. This shirt is never ever a fashion statement. It is basically the biggest symbol of a fans support. You wear it with pride and all the trappings that supporting a football club brings. If your first feelings in terms of a shirt appear to involve how other people would react to you, your love for the club is a somewhat tainted in terms of the worlds image of you, rather than your personal feelings to the club.
It's basically "I must wear the shirt because it's Arsenal" or "I will only wear the shirt if it looks nice" - meaning you're only wearing it and supporting the club to look good.
jazzg said:I haven't even bought the current kit because I don't like it. I refuse to buy shirts I don't like. I like the dreamcast one, my old has been binned so I'm thinking of getting one like that, anyone know where I can buy one from
This is interesting.
I just want to check what means most to a person and how much wearing a shirt means to them. For instance - what comes first to mind when you buy the shirt, the feeling it is part of the club or would it match whatever else you're wearing?
I have seen some people wear some vile shirts from other clubs, but they still wear them. I didn't like the yellow shirt but I still wanted it because it was an arsenal shirt. There have been some awful shirts, I didn't like the blue away one we recently had - but I still bought it because the shirt represents a lot about the team and club. The team wear it for instance and it outlines exactly what we stand for in terms of football because it goes wherever Arsenal go. It is a clear reminder of what we are. Like a uniform of sorts. Yes, now we enter territory of some sort of tribal feel but in football there is one thing that is clear - the shirt you wear highlights the team you support.
If pink was our colour, it would be all over the stadium, the colour of the seats and the colour of our merchandise. It will represent the club as the major colour - so all the shirts will be that colour.
So basically this thread outlines whether you are involved in Arsenal on an individual level or on a social level to show off to people. This shirt is never ever a fashion statement. It is basically the biggest symbol of a fans support. You wear it with pride and all the trappings that supporting a football club brings. If your first feelings in terms of a shirt appear to involve how other people would react to you, your love for the club is a somewhat tainted in terms of the worlds image of you, rather than your personal feelings to the club.
It's basically "I must wear the shirt because it's Arsenal" or "I will only wear the shirt if it looks nice" - meaning you're only wearing it and supporting the club to look good.
How can 3 billion people be wrong?