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Wright-Phillips, The Right Wing and Cesc?

sabret00the

Established Member
So i ask you, was the attitude if i can't make the marquee signing of Wright-Phillips then i'll give Cesc more games?

I mean we all knew that Freddie wouldn't be there for the whole of the season so their must have been some for thought right?

Also with us being short on pace would this not be perfect to either play Quincy there (he's done it quite well in the reserves) and if he can't make himself an Arsenal first teamer in terms of ability and brains (cutting out the tricks) then atleast he's driven up his price for a summer sale?

Lastly, do you think we should be looking to make a right wing signing, their were many opposed to Wright-Phillips, though i feel even at Chelsea he's showing his worth but am aware others still disagree. but with their apparently being better available in the summer, is it still an option to sign any of them and provide a piece to the new Arsenal jigsaw that Wenger invisioned?
 

Canuck

Established Member
Drained has already made the point that popped into my mind. Though I think that one of the things we are lacking is consistency so I certainly wouldn't complain if we did sign someone (like SWP) who is a 'specialist' and will be played in his position and only his position.
 
Also, if we could have held onto Bentley, although he is not good enough to play for us on a long term basis, he probably would have done a good job for us.
 

Canuck

Established Member
He had a good pre-season. But perhaps he got cocky after that and Wenger thought, 'stuff that, I've got enough on my plate. Let's sweep him out of the way for now...'
I was intersted to see Wenger's plans for him but it seems that those plans have been shelved indefinitely.
 

Army of Me

Established Member
the right wing imo has always needed strengthening, ljungberg and then who? hleb? he's a CM pretending to be a winger. Eboue? doesn't do it for me.

let's just buy joaquin and get it over and done with ;)
 

sabret00the

Established Member
pha2er said:
the right wing imo has always needed strengthening, ljungberg and then who? hleb? he's a CM pretending to be a winger. Eboue? doesn't do it for me.

let's just buy joaquin and get it over and done with ;)
playing eboue at right wing is the same as playing ashley on the left wing, it's a stop gap but far inferior to the real thing. you're right though it has always needed strengthening. and i don't think Hleb is the answer either, the more i watch other teams play these days the more i feel an authentic right winger would be a bonus for this team.
 
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Anonymous

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If Jaoquin is ready to leave betis, damm Liverpool.. and a drunken ferret. Arsenal is the destination.

Outside of that Jesus Nevas is someone you can call suitable.

From now till then however, if berg and hleb are out at any time.

Eboue at rb, Lauren at rm for balance.
Or.
Lauren at rb, Quincy at rw.

To be honest, tho. Talk about left and right channels, despite being nessecary to Arsenal overall are at lower priority in the grand scheme.

1st - Cm stability is needed.
2nd - CB is needed.
3rd - Proper 2nd choice and definate future 1st choice GK is needed.
4th - Definate Second Striker is needed, out and out/targetman/w/e
5th - Groomed RB is needed.
6th - Left Channel is needed. Pires being the aged bastage.
7th - Right midfield option is needed.

I'd go into more detail with my post but the gist of it is straight forward and should be understandable.
 

sabret00the

Established Member
Kha0z said:
If Jaoquin is ready to leave betis, damm Liverpool.. and a drunken ferret. Arsenal is the destination.

Outside of that Jesus Nevas is someone you can call suitable.

From now till then however, if berg and hleb are out at any time.

Eboue at rb, Lauren at rm for balance.
Or.
Lauren at rb, Quincy at rw.

To be honest, tho. Talk about left and right channels, despite being nessecary to Arsenal overall are at lower priority in the grand scheme.

1st - Cm stability is needed.
2nd - CB is needed.
3rd - Proper 2nd choice and definate future 1st choice GK is needed.
4th - Definate Second Striker is needed, out and out/targetman/w/e
5th - Groomed RB is needed.
6th - Left Channel is needed. Pires being the aged bastage.
7th - Right midfield option is needed.

I'd go into more detail with my post but the gist of it is straight forward and should be understandable.
don't we have reyes for number 6? isn't eboue number 5, and to a certain extent isn't hoyte number 2?
 

justjoe

Active Member
sabret00the said:
Also with us being short on pace would this not be perfect to either play Quincy there (he's done it quite well in the reserves) and if he can't make himself an Arsenal first teamer in terms of ability and brains (cutting out the tricks) then atleast he's driven up his price for a summer sale?

i dont get what your saying there. do you not think quincy has the abilty to make it at arsenal. i think the kids amazin and dose have a good football brain maybe not as good as someone like cesc but i still think he has the abilty in a few years time to make it in the arsenal side and be in the first 11 week in week out.
 
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Anonymous

Guest
sabret00the said:
Kha0z said:
If Jaoquin is ready to leave betis, damm Liverpool.. and a drunken ferret. Arsenal is the destination.

Outside of that Jesus Nevas is someone you can call suitable.

From now till then however, if berg and hleb are out at any time.

Eboue at rb, Lauren at rm for balance.
Or.
Lauren at rb, Quincy at rw.

To be honest, tho. Talk about left and right channels, despite being nessecary to Arsenal overall are at lower priority in the grand scheme.

1st - Cm stability is needed.
2nd - CB is needed.
3rd - Proper 2nd choice and definate future 1st choice GK is needed.
4th - Definate Second Striker is needed, out and out/targetman/w/e
5th - Groomed RB is needed.
6th - Left Channel is needed. Pires being the aged bastage.
7th - Right midfield option is needed.

I'd go into more detail with my post but the gist of it is straight forward and should be understandable.
don't we have reyes for number 6? isn't eboue number 5, and to a certain extent isn't hoyte number 2?

1. Reyes was bought as a striker. Until Wenger publicily or over a period of three years max sits Reyes in that left position, then he can his potential without end product can feck off right back to spain. I love his hardwork this season, but it's tiring watch him labour. Three years is long enough. It's for him to do some shiznet.. and now is the time.

2. Eboue scored a cracker against sunderland. Other then that.. No. I think he is 2nd choice, He may well be a genuine RB in the making. but right now, his temperment is lacking. Wenger did see this, I assume he still sees it.

3. Hoyte may be doing well for sunderland, but he could just as well be the best of a bad lot. Eitherway, I don't see him as a first choice CB for Arsenal. Not next season, nor the next, nor the season after. tbh.. I don't know what the mini-hype is surronding Hoyte. Aside from him being English, I don't see many positives in the making, few gems in the rough.

And combined, I think it's a little laughable.. Arsenal fighting multiple trophies with Eboue and Hoyte as first choice anything. I can see Eboue working towards it and perhaps attaining it. But CB and RB are two different targets and benchmarks respectively.
 

_scorpion_

Established Member
Hleb is not the answer at RM. He is a CM or deep striker where he can assist a player further in front. He Play's better from the middle.

I agree we need another option on the right apart from Cesc and Jaoquin may be an option albeit an expensive one.

Also agree that while this is a transitional year we might aswell try Quincy in that position. But this is only in the instances where Freddie is out.

I still feel Freddie is currently our best option there because of his industriousness and ability to lose his marker and make runs in the box.

Wenger tried to get Robinio but we were thwarted by Madrid......and we all know what happened to SWP.
 

sabret00the

Established Member
_scorpion_ said:
Hleb is not the answer at RM. He is a CM or deep striker where he can assist a player further in front. He Play's better from the middle.

I agree we need another option on the right apart from Cesc and Jaoquin may be an option albeit an expensive one.

Also agree that while this is a transitional year we might aswell try Quincy in that position. But this is only in the instances where Freddie is out.

I still feel Freddie is currently our best option there because of his industriousness and ability to lose his marker and make runs in the box.

Wenger tried to get Robinio but we were thwarted by Madrid......and we all know what happened to SWP.
you think robinho was coming in to play right wing?
 

kamikaze80

Established Member
agree on 1, 3, 4.

depending on how senderos develops, 2 is debatable but ill agree. looking to the post-sol era, if senderos turns into the rock that we need, then we only need a solid third CB. i suspect hoyte is not that player, as he seems to be a fullback now and he didnt impress in limited action for us. if im wrong, great.

re: 5, eboue has the physical tools, he needs experience to learn how to defend and position himself. his upside is as an ashley clone on the right side; he seems to like bombing forward. he must learn to contain that urge if hes going to succeed lauren, whos still got a year or two of servicability left. best case scenario, hoyte becomes 2nd choice RB next season while eboue learns his trade on loan, then comes back as 1st choice RB.

reyes takes care of 6. it doesnt matter that he was bought as a striker, as hes now a LM, this is obvious from both his play and arsenes lineups when we had everyone healthy.

for 7, im not sure how/why everyone has already decided on the basis of 5 matches that hleb cant play outside. im positive that most of you havent seen that much of him playing CM for stuttgart to be so sure that he must be played centrally. admittedly, i think hleb could play the kaka role behind the strikers in a 4-3-1-2, but thats not our style.
 

kamikaze80

Established Member
for those who think hleb is a CM, then do we not have a CM problem if we simply play hleb there? i assume the midfield would then be:

reyes-gilberto-hleb-freddie

with backups being
quincy-flamini-cesc-pires

or do you mean that we should still get a strong CM and put both cesc and hleb on the bench, since hleb can cover the wings as well? cos in my mind, hleb cannot be the 2nd striker because we'll be too short in goalscoring ability, and if hleb is not the answer in CM, then we just spent 9M on talented squad depth (which is not all bad, i suppose)
 

Wenger14

Established Member
Was wondering when Sabre's right winger thread would pop up :wink:.

We do need a genuine right winger, someone who will be able to give solid competiton to Freddie. Either Wenger sees Hleb as a stop-gap solution on the wing, which would mean an eventual change in position to CM, while Quincy develops, I don't know. But a Joaquin would do wonders to this team, add Torres to that and we will be pretty well off.

On a side note can anyone give me their views on Karimi?
 

sabret00the

Established Member
justjoe said:
sabret00the said:
Also with us being short on pace would this not be perfect to either play Quincy there (he's done it quite well in the reserves) and if he can't make himself an Arsenal first teamer in terms of ability and brains (cutting out the tricks) then atleast he's driven up his price for a summer sale?

i dont get what your saying there. do you not think quincy has the abilty to make it at arsenal. i think the kids amazin and dose have a good football brain maybe not as good as someone like cesc but i still think he has the abilty in a few years time to make it in the arsenal side and be in the first 11 week in week out.
i view quincy like pennant, i know he had the talent but i doubt the attitude and whether or not he'll get the chances. as it is now he over does it on the flair factor thinking that it'll draw the eye of every on looker and get him games when in reality it gets him less, whether Wenger can give him a run or not is what will have him make it here or not, if he gets a run sometime this year (of course with freddie injured) then he'll find his arsenal style of play, but if he doesn't, he won't have anything to engage or learn off. theirs some players out there that can only learn from first team football and i think he's got to that stage. the fact Wenger refuses to release him on loan shows he knows this too and knows he'll come good elsewhere and get a taste for first team football and to me he's fighting it.
 

GunneDown

Well-Known Member
Kha0z said:
If Jaoquin is ready to leave betis, damm Liverpool.. and a drunken ferret. Arsenal is the destination.

Outside of that Jesus Nevas is someone you can call suitable.

From now till then however, if berg and hleb are out at any time.

Eboue at rb, Lauren at rm for balance.
Or.
Lauren at rb, Quincy at rw.

To be honest, tho. Talk about left and right channels, despite being nessecary to Arsenal overall are at lower priority in the grand scheme.

1st - Cm stability is needed.
2nd - CB is needed.
3rd - Proper 2nd choice and definate future 1st choice GK is needed.
4th - Definate Second Striker is needed, out and out/targetman/w/e
5th - Groomed RB is needed.6th - Left Channel is needed. Pires being the aged bastage.
7th - Right midfield option is needed.

I'd go into more detail with my post but the gist of it is straight forward and should be understandable.

you idiot.....
 

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