Youth got to be kidding?

Discussion in 'Arsenal Talk' started by truth_hurts, May 31, 2019.

  1. GoonerJay24

    GoonerJay24 Well-Known Member

    Why not? United did it in the 90s and even us in 2007-2009 had success building the team around young players.

    I think the key is having experienced players alongside the youngsters and not just a team of young players without a couple of older heads to guide them through matches.

    The one advantage we'd have is the majority of U21s breaking through have all been coached Arsenal creative football alongside one another therefore playing cohesion between them should not be a big issue.
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  2. YeahBee

    YeahBee Terrible hot takes

    Even 2009 is another era nowadays

    Ajax did well in CL but it was a fairytale

    Athletic ability means more now

    And that era 07-09 didnt amount to anything anyway

    The arsenal way of ye olde needs athletic ability to, the invincibles werent a bunch of Cazorlas you know.

    If we are brutally honest, if you found yourself in a dark alley with a bunch of russian hooligans Beating down on you, who in our team would you feel comfortable having alongside?

    Kola and Xhaka basically
    Sok (the other defenders and gks to just due to some size)

    People on AM constantly underrate size, strength and speed.
    The best thing about those attributes is that they are effecting the game even when the players are playing poorly

    What made the invincibles great is that they had those attributes + technique

    You cant do a shortcut and only have technique

    Those attributes + great tactics can work thou
  3. North5

    North5 Here since 2009. Unlike Cornavirus.

    Let's just face it, we've been duped. The move to the Emirates to propel us into "a powerhouse being able to compete financially with the world's biggest clubs". A couple of transfer Windows of some cash splashing in 15 years and now back to austerity. Run by a guy who just wants a good return on his investment whilst spending as little as possible.

    We are destined for perpetual 5-7th place for a good while now.
  4. truth_hurts

    truth_hurts Well-Known Member

    The bulk of City and Liverpools signings have been from smaller Premier League teams though.
  5. Jury

    Jury Mission Accomplished

    I’ll read this with a cup of tea later.
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  6. Monstar-Gunn4r

    Monstar-Gunn4r Well-Known Member

    I think we're overating the youth coming through a little bit. If theyre good enough theyll get good loan spells and we can bring them back and then put them in as starters as we should be doing with nelson.

    By banking on them being good enough we risk crippling the club even worse. To bring through a team with a lot fo youth you need a lot of very experienced players with a lot of know how, people go on about utd and barca but those teams had a foundation of experienced players, even ajax this year had some fairly experienced players playing key positions.

    You also risk destroying the players by getting them kicked all over the pitch ala Wilshere and Ramsey until theyre injured if theyre integral to the squad for us then what?

    A lot of people think we've nothing to lose... I dont think they realize just how low it can go.
  7. juice man

    juice man Well-Known Member

    We’ve chronically overrated our youth in the last decade. There’s some decent talent in there right now, maybe a few deserve to have a slightly bigger role next year, but definitely not something I’m banking on to get us back to competitive football. As for signing young players - incredibly hard to successfully execute this, especially on a budget. You can’t just cite the success stories, like Dortmund, and say we should do the same. If it were as easy as saying the words, everyone would do it.

    We need to improve the squad NOW. I don’t care if they’re 18 or 30, frankly I don’t think it should really be much of a consideration, as it’s only 1 characteristic out of many we need to consider. More important is to buy players with a holistic approach, considering their ability to improve the squad, tactical flexibility, fit of character, and most importantly their cost (fee and wages). Yes, age is a part of that holistic approach, but it shouldn’t be a driving factor in our decision making IMO.
  8. American_Gooner

    American_Gooner Not actually American. Unless Di Marzio says so. Moderator

    You do wonder though if Nketiah, Willock and Nelson will make the pre-season tour since their seasons could extend into mid-June if their national teams do well in their tournaments. Would be a shame for them to miss out.
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  9. hydrofluoric acid

    hydrofluoric acid Many Men Wish Death Upon Me

    Just hope a good tourno for them will count for at least something. Hopefully Emery will be watching!
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  10. bingobob

    bingobob A-M’s Resident Hunskelper Trusted

    Some have some havent. Id love us to sign more players from within the league. Advocated it for years. We just dont do it. Or we buy kids like Chambers who take ages to bloom. A player oddly enough a lot of people are happy to see go. He had a great season won POTY and is versatile. Someone we should be retaining.
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  11. L3T5 PL4Y

    L3T5 PL4Y Flair Accuser

    How can that be true? Man Utd and us have more youth players and have used more youth players compared to the rest of them. Liverpool have given chances to Arnold and Gomez but thats it. Rest they loan out or sell. You can say Tottenham have some homegrown players but most of the team is hardly young and pkayers bought. Thers negligible difference in their approach with youth.
  12. Tir Na Nog

    Tir Na Nog In Big Trouble If He Speaks

    I always wanted to witness a relegation dog fight. Let's be honest here even if our youngsters do have the ability how many of them have the right mentality to succeed. What did Mourinho say about young talents being like melons? You play the youngsters who are good enough and are READY for the first team, the ones who can adapt to the step up. There are plenty who'll look good at youth level but won't be able to make the step up. That's just the way it is. I don't think people fully grasp how big of a rarity it is to have a team with several players promoted form the youth team. United class of 92 and Barca under Pep are very very rare examples of it succeeding. Willock and AMN should be involved next season, maybe Nelson will come back and be given some chances.

    Even Guendouzi who's a super talent I believe is still a way off at the moment, and I think we'd be very lucky to get someone either from our youth academy or brought in who's half the talent he is.
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  13. Rex Banter

    Rex Banter Got Swerved By Gallas Trusted

    I’d much rather give Chambers a chance than Dakonam for example.
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  14. Maybe

    Maybe Well-Known Member

    That approach will only bring in another Mustafi. Panic buys to please the fans who are desperate to see some new names.
    What we need to do, or better to say what we needed to do last year, is to plan something stable for the next couple of years.
    Even Real Madrid is investing money in teenagers these days, but Arsenal fans believe that we can finance rebuild with money and we will enjoy new fancy players next year. We can't, but what we can is to waste another year and bring in another 5 mediocre players on 100k+ contracts, that's what most people here want until they see devastating effect of it.

    The rest of your post is better explanation of what we need to do, but I can't match the "NOW" moment with it.

    If we bring 2 top players 50m each, fill other gaps with youth, that would be a massive win for us. The only thing is that we won't see results of that for another 2-3 years, but I'm willing to wait and enjoy the progress.
  15. GoonerJay24

    GoonerJay24 Well-Known Member

    Look at City; winning back to back league titles with small skillful players.

    Athleticism has always been essential and especially now in the modern game for effective pressing but I think the Arsenal way of playing football is something unique and requires technical ability with creative flair therefore we should be bringing through the players that possess these abilities from the youth and build a cohesive team.

    The invincibles were probably the second greatest team of all time behind Peps Barcelona. We'll never see such a team again. They were magnificent in every position, quality and mentally tough players throughout the squad.
  16. GoonerJay24

    GoonerJay24 Well-Known Member

    Psychological aspect of the game is immensely underrated by most supporters.

    So many players acquired the right technical and physical skills but lacked the mentality to reach their potential.

    As I said on this thread yesterday, if we were to go down the route of promoting from the youth teams the key is to supplement youngsters with experienced players. People forget that United team in the 90s had players like Pallister, Peter Schmeichal, Andy Cole, Eric Cantina, Roy Keane and Irwin to guide the younger members.

    Getting that balance is key and if Emery does that then I think we could be successful and even surprise people next season. The one thing our youth setup has in common with Barcelona and Ajax is the technical curriculum implemented. Academy players are attuned in the Arsenal way of playing football therefore cohesiveness wouldn't be a massive problem.
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  17. YeahBee

    YeahBee Terrible hot takes

    Their small and skillful players are Runners thou, both in speed endurance and tenacity
    Same with pool and to a degrees chelski

    We are fooled when we see stats for Özil et al, we see their numbers and think they are doing more then they are, they just jog around floating about.
    Modern game does not have a place for that
  18. OSBK

    OSBK Well-Known Member

    Frank and rio talk alot of sense when they talk about youth. Frank talks about the standards and they have dropped at arsenal.
  19. GoonerJay24

    GoonerJay24 Well-Known Member

    Then we need to bring through the players are equipped with speed, strength and endurance alongside technique. These attributes can be developed with the right training.
  20. Wrighty4eva

    Wrighty4eva Well-Known Member

    Been saying it for months now, I would rather watch our youth ESR, Nelson, Nketiah, saka, Ameachi, medley have a trial and error season than watch these group of spineless underperforming ****s wear the shirt for another year, want to see someone play with some hunger, desire for the badge and if Emery has any balls he will do just that, if not to hell with him.
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