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Mesut Özil: Time to Move Ön?

Do you want Özil sold this summer?

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hydrofluoric acid said:
Where is all the wages going?
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Taylor Gang Gunners said:
Worst thing about this pic is at the time we were all desperate for Walcott to be a part of it. While he and his agent were off holding our club hostage. He gets a bumper deal and we get Sunday league performances.
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Walcott is the best player of Arsenal "british core" atm, he's our second goalscorer and has improved defensively.

Sir Bump said:
Walcott getting what they get combined.
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He isn't.
 
MaraDon

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Taylor Gang Gunners said:
Best in what sense? As in most talented? Because you'd be extremely wrong in saying that.

He's the most productive, that can't be argued.
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after 15 years at the club, he is still inconsistent, he is our British star, that`s for sure... he is about off the ball movement, on a technically oriented team, that is why he gets exposed a bit. he is an asset more than a problem if used properly.
 
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MaraDon said:
after 15 years at the club, he is still inconsistent, he is our British star, that`s for sure... he is about off the ball movement, on a technically oriented team, that is why he gets exposed a bit. he is an asset more than a problem if used properly.
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I know plenty enough about Theo my main man.
 
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4R5Emaniac said:
Don't know about others but personally can look beyond bias and prejudice. Stats have some objectivity and they can help but they never provide the total picture so I'd rather look at things myself.

For example, Martial for sometime has been considered one of the brightest striker prospect resulting in his move to Man Utd but he has rarely played as a striker since. I have no idea if there are some stats to explain why but I see his physic and doubt that his really narrow shoulders gets in the way of playing with his back to goal. Since he is playing for a big club his team will have more possession in the final third rather than having to face forward for quick breaks which means he has to play from the left wing instead of striker. The CF needs to be able to play with his back to goal and be a reference point. That simple detail of narrow shoulders compared to the rest of his body is something the stats will never show.

As for the doctor thing, they could help with better cognitive functioning.

HOWEVER, to play the game you prefer, using statistical evidence... The criticisms over here against Özil are vehemently defended by his fans. Fans who clutch at his social media posts by his employed people believing they are made by him despite knowing otherwise and act like teenage little girls or who only claim to "support" Arsenal because of Özil. That is your bias and prejudice that pretty much can be disregarded as drivel which is what it is. Its the more sensible posters with a clue around here with balanced opinions looking at their posts everywhere else who know what Özil is made of for real. Those are your critics and because they are legitimate. Statistically, they are more than a handful few which makes the evidence for the critics more solid. And again statistically, the criticisms are very very common and consistent since his arrival which adds to them being legit.
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Thanks for the reply mate. I'm sporadic so can take a while to reply. Couple of quick points.

Everybody looks at something with some element of bias and prejudice, some conscious some unconscious.

Stats are objective. They don't have "some objectivity. The subjectivity creeps in when interpreting stats.

You are entitled to ignore stats and draw your own conclusion. But it is just an opinion, and we all know what they say about opinions...

You should also appreciate that when your opinions contradict the statistics and observed facts, many people aren't going to take your opinions seriously.

Case in point. Anthony Martials physique. I think you are asserting his narrow shoulders mean he can't play with has back to goal, necessary for a dominant team and therefore he cannot play as striker.
But What is his shoulder width? Why is his should to waist ratio? What is the EPL striker average? And how does it compare to Aguero, Alexis Sanchez who are both successful playing as a striker despite being diminutive. Thus it appears to be a false premise as the facts don't support it. (I've just seen some of the other posts, seems people are picking similar holes in your observation, that probably just supports my point)

FWIW, I'm not advocating that we don't form our own opinions, but be prepared to defend your points with facts, it's the basis of how science the law and indeed so much of society works. There are many Özil fan boys out there who cannot be trusted to show any level of objectivity, but similarly some of the criticism on here has been beyond the pale.

My opinion: he has been solid without being spectacular. He has been good, but his productivity has suffered to some extent whilst looking to score more goals. His movement around goal has been excellent but finishing at times not great, unsurprisingly given his preference for laying off a final ball for most of his career. He is our second best player but Sanchez, Kolscielny and Giroud have all been more important than him this season so far (in the league at least).

Also finally, putting the world "statistically" at the start of a sentence doesn't turn the following sentence into a statistic. In fact, I can't see a single statistic in that final paragraph which makes me think you might want to head to the doctor and ask them to improve your cognitive function!
 
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4R5Emaniac said:
HOWEVER, to play the game you prefer, using statistical evidence... The criticisms over here against Özil are vehemently defended by his fans. Fans who clutch at his social media posts by his employed people believing they are made by him despite knowing otherwise and act like teenage little girls or who only claim to "support" Arsenal because of Özil. That is your bias and prejudice that pretty much can be disregarded as drivel which is what it is. Its the more sensible posters with a clue around here with balanced opinions looking at their posts everywhere else who know what Özil is made of for real. Those are your critics and because they are legitimate. Statistically, they are more than a handful few which makes the evidence for the critics more solid. And again statistically, the criticisms are very very common and consistent since his arrival which adds to them being legit.
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Guess they don't teach stats in Bangladesh.
 
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