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I really don't understand this underestimation of Bayern.
Elite european club with tonnes of experience in CL, with coach who is expert in cup competitions (and who already won CL), with striker who scores 40-50 goals per season (and who scored 14 goals against Arsenal in 19 matches before joining Bayern), with 17-18 players who are familiar to play in CL QF or semis, with squad who has 15 different ways to score.
And some people here expected that Arsenal will batter them?
Bayern are slight favourites, 55/45 for them
I totally understand why some people have hope for next week and as fans we should but it really should be quite minimal at this point in a more wishful sense.
Based on this week’s game, there is no evidence to suggest we will win next week. In fact, everything suggests the opposite - despite the nerves and ocassion (a big factor I don’t think most of our team can deal with very well, leading to mistakes) their midfield completely controlled the tempo and toyed around with Rice and Jorginho, who at times seemed like they weren’t even there. Their wingers also looked too fast and skilled for our fullbacks to contain. No need to talk about Kane - he’ll score against us.
I think our only realistic chance would simply have to do a Liverpool and take bigger risks to out score them with a cohesive front line and I don’t think that involves Martinelli starting and as a much as I like Trossard, I think he’d be better as an impact sub after an hour of Havertz tiring out their defense with his runs (which he did with great effect on Tue) . Zinchenko and Partey are better at supporting our attacking play whilst having the awareness to track back AND cover spaces well (Zinny obv has the lapse of concentration issue at time).
Anyone going into next week thinking we’ll win, I’d love to hear what evidence you’re basing your opinion on bc if it’s PL form then you’re in for a rude awakening.
Of course, we CAN win but I think it will be down to mistakes from Bayern AND everyone having their best game of the season. A scenario that in my heart I hope comes true, unfortunately the evidence suggests otherwise.
This will be an exciting game whatever the result and a good metric to see where we are as a club and how to continue the (fantastic) process next season!
We gifted them 2 goals actually.Bro the only reason Bayern got anything from the game because we gifted them an extremely cheap goal in a period where we were completely on top and should have been 2-0 up. I don't really understand this analysis.
Why?I can understand but they play at their own yard now and they cannot play so deep infront of their home fans if they do i am suprised. But i expect there will be more space for us to attack also on the wings which would be vital for this game. Jesus has to play in this game and also Martinelli.
Bro the only reason Bayern got anything from the game because we gifted them an extremely cheap goal in a period where we were completely on top and should have been 2-0 up. I don't really understand this analysis.
We gifted them 2 goals actually.
They also had their chances, Coman hit the post, Sane also had big chance (thankfully White prevented him from scoring).
We drew in London without Bayern fans.
How can you be so confident that we will win in Germany?
Bro the only reason Bayern got anything from the game because we gifted them an extremely cheap goal in a period where we were completely on top and should have been 2-0 up. I don't really understand this analysis.
We gifted goals due to mistakes and Bayern quality who weren't even out of 2nd gear all game. They dominated our midfield bar Ødegaard who along with 2-3 others, didn't look overawed by the occasion.
Also their attacking threat is better than ours. I live in Berlin now and have been to the Allianz arena - it's going to be super hostile and will bring about even more nerves than at home when they had no fans.
What evidence have you seen in the 1st leg to suggest we won't gift them goals away from home? I think it's possible to win but only from an emotional 'hopeful Arsenal fan' type of way and simply taking massive risks to force them into errors themselves.
@elemoo seems to disregard the first spell until Bayern’s equaliser. It’s interesting that the Bayern midfield couldn’t toy with our players then, and we were completely dominating them.
Some supporters need to learn about game states and the impact that has on how teams approach the particular situation. When you are in an attack minded approach and the opponent is defensively minded and counter attack focused (look at the Bayern setup on the night) what do you think happens to who forces the issue and who sits back and waits for mistakes.
Similarly @elemoo, what do you think the overriding game state will be going into next week. That’s right, this time Bayern are home and have to force matters while Arsenal can sit back more and protect their lines. Guess by your logic our midfielders will toy with theirs then huh?
What happens if Arsenal take the lead in that game. I guess you’ll be calling our midfielders elite and theirs plumbers huh?
Analysis is important, but apply particular game contexts as well.
I agree that game state should be taken into account and we had a great opening 10-15mins. The equaliser came from Bayern pressure and quality but we were making mistakes despite this.
I think that Bayern is second best team (behind City) Arsenal is facing this season (so far).
I consider them to be better than Liverpool, their attack and midfield is better than Liverpool's.
Neuer is world class GK.
Therefore they are definitely favourites at their ground.