Rasmi
Negative Nancy
Country: England
If true good for him. A chance to make it in the PL. I think skelly will be gone in 12-18 months as well
If true good for him. A chance to make it in the PL. I think skelly will be gone in 12-18 months as well
If true , I don't know what to think of it. Newcastle signed Yankuba Minteh last season who's actually very good. Starred in the Danish league and now playing European football with Feyenoord. I guess it's better than having to compete with Saka for a spot. If he leaves i.hope he goes abroad, I think it will allow him to easier adapt to senior footballIf true good for him. A chance to make it in the PL. I think skelly will be gone in 12-18 months as well
2 of those names are out of contract this Summer - so they might get minutes but it may not be at Arsenal so watch this space!It's frustrating how few academy players seem to be on the edge of getting minutes right now. By comparison, Liverpool, Barcelona, and United to a lesser extent seem to be blooding in some real talents at the moment.
I will be disappointed if Lewis-Skelly, Walters, Nwanieri, and Cozier-Duberry don't all get minutes next year in multiple games. But I know we play at such a high level and Arteta sees them in training day in and day out. But until he gives one of the young guns a few chances, the jury will be out on his academy development in my opinion (Martinelli and Saka are outliers/can be explained on multiple grounds).
Liverpool's and Barcelona's hands have been pretty much forced due to injuries just as it was with us back in the Wenger Days. Kloop is one of the best at integrating young players but I don't think it would have been to this extent if less key players were injured. Almost the same case with Barcelona.As good as they are i don't think any manager wants to be competing with a 16 and 17 year old in the CL knock outs. I obviously wish Arteta was more generous in handing over minutes but he's got us at the top of the table and in the quarter finals of the CL. We have evolved very first to a top team and as mentioned , it will take outstanding talents to find a place in the team.It's frustrating how few academy players seem to be on the edge of getting minutes right now. By comparison, Liverpool, Barcelona, and United to a lesser extent seem to be blooding in some real talents at the moment.
I will be disappointed if Lewis-Skelly, Walters, Nwanieri, and Cozier-Duberry don't all get minutes next year in multiple games. But I know we play at such a high level and Arteta sees them in training day in and day out. But until he gives one of the young guns a few chances, the jury will be out on his academy development in my opinion (Martinelli and Saka are outliers/can be explained on multiple grounds).
I get that in this system the left-back is basically an auxiliary midfielder. But at least try the kid in his normal position first before shifting him to the left-back position.
I actually read the article (finally) and it's an assumption largely, but they also said he's gonna stay at 6/8 for now - which would be way better. He's got the ability to dominate games, no need to put that at full-back.
What a waste of talent. Zinchenko himself is not a left back and the biggest weakness in our team.
But would it be easier for Lewis-Skelly to get 1st team game-time if he played LB. A bit similar as Saka's path, but inverted? He is good at defending?I actually read the article (finally) and it's an assumption largely, but they also said he's gonna stay at 6/8 for now - which would be way better. He's got the ability to dominate games, no need to put that at full-back.
A loan wouldn't be a bad idea. I think Lewis-Skelly is a player who needs to be challenged. While his individual performance level is usually high, it's very obvious that both he and Nwaneri are beginning to find U21 level a little easy. It's fine for now but I'd still strike while the iron is hot.But would it be easier for Lewis-Skelly to get 1st team game-time if he played LB. A bit similar as Saka's path, but inverted? He is good at defending?
Being inverted LB like Zinchenko isn't that much different from a midfield role. And can't he later switch back to midfield?
Getting midfield minutes in a title challenging team is not easy for so young players. United's squad is a mess so it can't be compared to Mainoo (who is 1,5 years older btw.)
Or do you want him to go on loan?
I know nothing about player management and pathway development, but if I was to loan Lewis-Skelly out, I don't think I'd want to loan him to a club or a to a level where he's walks into their team.
I'd try and find a team or a level where he had to fight his way into their 11, and possibly not always make it in.
I think he, especially being as robust as he is, needs to be physically and mentally challenged to not only tap into his level of talent, but improve it and then sustain it because someone was breathing down his neck, and I think that would come from playing for and being in a team of adults where he wasn't immediately their "star" loanee.
It’s a balancing act. You also would like him to get minutes and at better clubs like you suggest, realistically he wouldn’t get minutes unless there was an injury
I hadn't seen this post but I don't think this is a bad idea at all. With Lewis-Skelly, I feel like his competitiveness translates well to the Championship but you're right that a lot of these lower table teams are brutal in terms of possession play and very often go with tried and tested at the expense of the younger loanees, who get brought in as emergency back-ups rather than first team contributors. A glance at Sagoe Jr, Khayon Edwards, Zane Monlouis and even Charlie Patino betrays this.I wouldn't want him playing at a weaker club, getting a ton of minutes, but getting minutes where most of his time is spent defending, and very little of that time spent honing the forward thinking and forward moving things he's good at.
It's an important part of the game, yes, but I don't want him to end up in a similar spot as Charlie Patino or Brooke Norton-Cuffy. They've both been on loan for nearing on 2 seasons and we don't know much more about them as players as we did when we still had them because they're either at middling clubs, or they're being forced out of their spots by older players because those clubs need to survive.
But let's say, for arguments sake, you could get MLS to a club like Anderlecht. He wouldn't be a guaranteed starter, but if he could get good minutes, compete with adults, and play "winning" football, you'd really see what kind of player you had.
Lower table Championship loans simply don't seem effective these days.
You'd have to spend some time really looking into not only the playing style of the club, but the current Head Coaches philosophy (in terms of playing youth) and the way their squad is built.
You basically want a player like MLS (or Nwaneri) to be at a club that was in our position 3-4 years ago. We are no longer in the space to integrate 17/18 year olds unless they're showing signs of being class if not already close, but 3-4 years ago we were in a place where we were treading water and could use youth in that way.
I would look to loaning both Ethan and MLS to the same club in either Holland or Belgium. A place where English is a 2nd/3rd language, and there's a chance of something like Europa Conference League. If they're as good as we hope they are, then they should be able to fight for and get into regular Starting 11's at their age and talent level.
Even a Stum Graz like Mika Biereth. Let them go and tear up a men's league and play competitive winning football after fighting for their places.