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Please take Emery to AC Milan! Gazidis would be god tier if he manages yo remove Emery and Mustafi out of this club in one summer!
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Unai Emery: Adios
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Hope you keep that same energy when Kroenke hires Thierry
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My job will be done and I can rest in the garden.
14Henry
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The same Henry that can't keep his emotions to the side?
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Isn’t that the whole point. All players in the highest leagues have come through a brutal cull in the academies. And all of them a have skill set or they wouldn’t be there.
But it’s about the odds, top players are consistent and that’s what you’re paying for. Danny Alves might play 9 out of 10 games at top level. AMN might play like that for 15 minutes out of 10 games at the top level. VVD shows composure and good decision making most of the time. Mustafi only some of the time.
Some of the players in our squad will let you down too frequently.
say yes
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People who want Emery to fail get annoyed by the comparisons to Klopp but this is exactly what he was like in his first few years at Liverpool. Consistently turned up in the bigger games and European knockouts but struggled away and against the weaker sides which hurt their league position (hopefully Emery can do better than Klopp managed in finals).
Frankly, I’d much rather have it this way round. If we can outclass clubs like Valencia and Napoli then long-term we should have no problem improving our results against PL fodder. It won’t happen overnight but we’re in the right path. Just need to add some more quality to the squad and trust in the manager to continue the team’s progression as they adapt to what he wants from them. We’re already doing the tricky bit: it’s just a matter of consistency now.
Artisan
Not Emery's Old Pal
What's this first couple of years bullshit? Klopp finished with 76 points and fourth place in his first full season having spent almost the same exact amount as Emery in the market. Some here act like he had Liverpool sitting midtable for years before stumbling into the Coutinho money. 
Basically the only basis of comparison they have is that when Klopp took over from Rodgers mid season he didn't completely blow the league away within 6 month. How that's somehow comparable to us hopefully improving by only 4 points from one of our worst seasons in the PL after spending 70mil is a mystery.
I've even read, according to some, apparently the Liverpool team that finished 8th was better than our team that finished 6th. Revisionism at its best.
To be fair while I'm not a massive fan of what I've seen, I do think with Emery if we do back him properly this summer he should able to get us further up the table. If we do manage to get in CL then I do think Emery is the type of manager that'd be able to do well in cup competitions, even if we did generally disappoint in the cups this year. Which is why I think it might be worth sticking with him for a while longer.
The question will be when we don't back him strongly in the market, will he be able to show enough improvement to get top four for us next year? If we don't get top four next year, regardless of how strongly the club backed him or not he should go I think.
Incidentally no matter who the manager is, I don't think we'll be competitive in the league under the current owner unless we get massively lucky and stumble into a golden generation. So the only thing I'll be judging our managers on will be top four and our performances in the competition.
Basically the only basis of comparison they have is that when Klopp took over from Rodgers mid season he didn't completely blow the league away within 6 month. How that's somehow comparable to us hopefully improving by only 4 points from one of our worst seasons in the PL after spending 70mil is a mystery.
I've even read, according to some, apparently the Liverpool team that finished 8th was better than our team that finished 6th. Revisionism at its best.
To be fair while I'm not a massive fan of what I've seen, I do think with Emery if we do back him properly this summer he should able to get us further up the table. If we do manage to get in CL then I do think Emery is the type of manager that'd be able to do well in cup competitions, even if we did generally disappoint in the cups this year. Which is why I think it might be worth sticking with him for a while longer.
The question will be when we don't back him strongly in the market, will he be able to show enough improvement to get top four for us next year? If we don't get top four next year, regardless of how strongly the club backed him or not he should go I think.
Incidentally no matter who the manager is, I don't think we'll be competitive in the league under the current owner unless we get massively lucky and stumble into a golden generation. So the only thing I'll be judging our managers on will be top four and our performances in the competition.
asukru
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People who want Emery to leave for Milan, who do you think we could get to replace him at this point that would improve us?
Jury
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Emery's only a cup manager because he's won cups.
WTF is a 'cup manager' by definition? Do they only do serious work on the training ground before cup games, and let their wives handle the less important day to day 'league training'.
Another football fallacy made up by people who have no ****ing clue what they're on about, live on Twitter and are too scared to form their own opinions. Sheep.
WTF is a 'cup manager' by definition? Do they only do serious work on the training ground before cup games, and let their wives handle the less important day to day 'league training'.
Another football fallacy made up by people who have no ****ing clue what they're on about, live on Twitter and are too scared to form their own opinions. Sheep.
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Emery is only a cup manager. Need to start working harder in the league.
Artisan
Not Emery's Old Pal
Calm your tits, which one do you think is harder for us to win a cup or the league? Doesn't take a genius to figure out then why saying he can do well in cup competition isn't the same as saying he is only a cup manager.
Edit; Hydro's opinion notwithstanding of course, as always.
Edit; Hydro's opinion notwithstanding of course, as always.
Check
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In my opinion is a cup manager, a manager that is very good in setting up his team against equal or better sides and knows how to prepare them for the big ocassion and exploit the spaces that the oppositions leave because they are more eager to attack. But struggles against sides that are worse than his own team and won't give as much space as equal or better sides.
Good example for me (although he won a league title) is Diego Simeone. Prepares Atletico very well against big sides like Bayern Munich, Barca or Real Madrid. But he struggles to win more easily against lesser teams in La Liga.
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Massive chance to leave a big marker in his first season here. Let's get it done, Unai.
Tir Na Nog
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It's absolute bollocks mate. Cup manager.....
Besides, you don't win leagues unless you have the players to win league titles. A league is over 38 games, a manager can showcase his talent in cup games because they're ties that come down to 1/2 games where tactics can make all the difference. It's much harder for any manager to showcase his talent when the players aren't good enough or the squad isn't strong enough to show consistency over the course of 38 games. Was Klopp a bad manager before this season because Liverpool weren't consistent in the league? Was he just a cup manager because he got to League Cup, EL and CL finals before this season without coming close to challenging for the league? No he improved his squad every season and now they're at a stage where they can show the consistency needed to challenge for a league because they're now strong in every position and in important positions like goalkeeper, centre of defence and with Fabinho they've added a bit of control to their midfield along with their lethal front 3. That's why they're now able to challenge for the league title. They just didn't have the consistency to maintain a title challenge before this. In 2016 they really struggled, second season scraped top 4 and last season in the end top 4 came down to final day again. 3 seasons one being mid-table the other 2 getting 4th on the final day. Maybe I'm wrong maybe Klopp was a poor league manager before and he took a magic potion in the summer and all of a sudden became a brilliant league manager. Nothing to do with Van Dijk last January, the emergence of Alexander-Arnold, signing Alisson and Fabinho, Keita and in general improving every year to get the squad to where it's at today.
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He has done well getting us in EL final. And honestly don't get comparisons with Klopp or Pep, he will never do anything like they have done, at least they had idea right from the beginning how they wanted their teams to play.
Emery seems clueless in that regard and it has only got worse as the season went on. No attacking identity, going to away grounds acting like we are the smaller team all the team. We have many very good attackers but no attacking identity at our general attacking play as gotten worse as the season went on.
I constantly see him talking about like the defense is the focus, we want to defend, defend and defend more. Defend for the whole game. But that hasn't improved either that much. We don't even press better.
So there is a lot of work to do for Emery this summer, but I was hoping that this season would go into laying the foundations for next season, that we would see some improvements by now. I don't agree there are any improvements. So next season will probably also go into trying to improve all the things we should have worked on this season.
I give him 4/10 for this season, 6/10 if he wins EL but no matter what I will happy to see the back of him. But I know he will be here next season so I will keep backing him to do good things! We need our attack back, and stop being so boring. Top clubs in my opinion should be first attacking team but with good defensive foundations!
Emery seems clueless in that regard and it has only got worse as the season went on. No attacking identity, going to away grounds acting like we are the smaller team all the team. We have many very good attackers but no attacking identity at our general attacking play as gotten worse as the season went on.
I constantly see him talking about like the defense is the focus, we want to defend, defend and defend more. Defend for the whole game. But that hasn't improved either that much. We don't even press better.
So there is a lot of work to do for Emery this summer, but I was hoping that this season would go into laying the foundations for next season, that we would see some improvements by now. I don't agree there are any improvements. So next season will probably also go into trying to improve all the things we should have worked on this season.
I give him 4/10 for this season, 6/10 if he wins EL but no matter what I will happy to see the back of him. But I know he will be here next season so I will keep backing him to do good things! We need our attack back, and stop being so boring. Top clubs in my opinion should be first attacking team but with good defensive foundations!
Gunner-Union
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I think we are such a disjointed team and it shows in our play with no real cohesion as the players abilities dont seem to blend well
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We have two top class traditional strikers (poacher), which make us almost 8 against 10 in the build up.
That’s why I always want a skillful forward who can dribble past 2-3 players or able to drop deep to play one two/through passes in the build up.
In that way we will be 10 against 10 in the passing play, have complete control of the game and create a lot more chances overall for the team.
Laca is slightly better than auba in build up play. But all he does is to join the build up and play simple passes. His ability to help the build up with skills and beautiful through pass are still nowhere near the likes to firmino, son and aguero.
And also our team do not have players who are good at controlling the midfield. Özil is the specialist on making the final assist, but his build up play in the midfield is lacking. He can’t control the ball or play amazing combination as good as cazorla.
Iwobi and Mkhi are just average. Xhaka has some good long shot and long pass but he is not skillful enough. And with ramsey’s poor first touch, poor ball control, poor passing ability and poor tactical discipline, we always lost our midfield battle.
Emery played good attacking football in his previous teams. He just can’t do that in arsenal because we have too many non technical players.
That’s why I always want a skillful forward who can dribble past 2-3 players or able to drop deep to play one two/through passes in the build up.
In that way we will be 10 against 10 in the passing play, have complete control of the game and create a lot more chances overall for the team.
Laca is slightly better than auba in build up play. But all he does is to join the build up and play simple passes. His ability to help the build up with skills and beautiful through pass are still nowhere near the likes to firmino, son and aguero.
And also our team do not have players who are good at controlling the midfield. Özil is the specialist on making the final assist, but his build up play in the midfield is lacking. He can’t control the ball or play amazing combination as good as cazorla.
Iwobi and Mkhi are just average. Xhaka has some good long shot and long pass but he is not skillful enough. And with ramsey’s poor first touch, poor ball control, poor passing ability and poor tactical discipline, we always lost our midfield battle.
Emery played good attacking football in his previous teams. He just can’t do that in arsenal because we have too many non technical players.
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As I have said, Emery’s tactics is not the problem.
He just does not have the right type of players, so our style of football is not as attractive as you might want.
Just think, the manager who played the most beautiful tactics, guardiola. If you give him a team of:
———————Kyut——Walcott ——————
—————————Ramsey—————————
Milner——Gerrard——Lampard——W.Phillips
———————CB——CB——CB———————
——————————-GK——————————
Are you sure he will be able to play beautiful football with these players??
This is what people called 5 at the back defensive football.
We are far from playing boring defensive football at the moment. The reason we don’t play as attractive as people would like, is that we don’t have the right kind of players. Our players are not technical and skillful enough.
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TheEconomist
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If you are giving him a 4/10 for this season, given the squad he inherited, what more would you have liked to see us achieve For it to have been an 8+ season ?
If I remember correctly neither Klopp or Pep were particularly impressive in their first season in the PL
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I wanted to see improvements. I think I said it in the post.
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