Fair enough Gary, just felt that you were twisting the narrative somewhat. Didn't mean to be unfair and I'm glad you agree that Özil needs to be sold.Don’t think this is fair, and actually says a lot about how you’re approaching this situation given my current Özil stance is in line with what I have been saying for weeks - footballers not being pressured into compromising their wages unless there is a clear need with no alternatives.
This has been my stance for weeks in the Covid thread whenever footballer wages have come up, long before this Özil situation.
I don’t give a toss about Özil, think he should be sold now or should’ve been sold last season, Raul and Vinai did say they won’t let players run deals down but we have 4/5 players running deals down after losing Ramsey for free. The real discussion now has to be how long Raul Sanhelli can survive at Arsenal given Arsenal are going backwards on the pitch and there are no improvements off it in terms of recruitment and contracts.
Shambles of a comment this.
Hardly a devout follower of Özil, was one of the first to call him washed but if you’d rather pipe off the club that doesn’t give a toss about you but still wants it’s 12.5% back then feel free. Mug.
This is the most objective I've seen you post regarding ÖzilDon’t think this is fair, and actually says a lot about how you’re approaching this situation given my current Özil stance is in line with what I have been saying for weeks - footballers not being pressured into compromising their wages unless there is a clear need with no alternatives.
This has been my stance for weeks in the Covid thread whenever footballer wages have come up, long before this Özil situation.
I don’t give a toss about Özil, think he should be sold now or should’ve been sold last season, Raul and Vinai did say they won’t let players run deals down but we have 4/5 players running deals down after losing Ramsey for free. The real discussion now has to be how long Raul Sanhelli can survive at Arsenal given Arsenal are going backwards on the pitch and there are no improvements off it in terms of recruitment and contracts.
I think it's too early to compare what we've done with other clubs yet. By all accounts, almost every club is trying to come to some sort of money saving arrangement. Will be fairer to compare what Arsenal have done vs. what they have done when the dust has settled.I don’t get how other top clubs have agreed wage cuts with their players with the difference going to charity and other good causes yet we’re pleading poverty and the club survival is on the line if they can’t get 12.5% back.
How poorly a ran club are we ffs? We’re one of the biggest clubs in the world and our future rests on Özil giving his money back while Utd and others are leading the way.
Ultimately he should take a pay cut but all this “protect the club” is laughable, in a time of global crisis with small businesses and ordinary people facing incredibly uncertain futures crisis docking wages of millionaires to bail out football clubs worth 2 billion with an owner who’s one of the richest men in America should be way down the list in priorities.
Ultimately I think the club has been very underhand, using the court of public opinion to try and drive a wage cut through and save themselves some money.
I read some fake lawyer on here saying that Özil is morally right to refuse a paycut
Thats not my point, my point is why is it going back to the club?
Arsenal are about to go bankrupt. Every football club is in danger of going bankrupt.Anyway, no-one is claiming that Arsenal are about to go bankrupt.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/metr...irus-pay-cuts-says-martin-keown-12606316/amp/
Keown saying what I said the other day, if Wenger was here he would’ve sorted out this pay issue.
Keown goes further though, says Wenger should still be at the club. I agree I think, his knowledge is vastly superior to anyone else we have.
This is the most objective I've seen you post regarding Özil
Fair play
Probably would have sold Aubameyang and one of Martinelli/Saka to compensate for the loss while taking the full blame claiming it was his decision.Wenger let Özil walk all over him and take breaks whenever he liked, what can he sort out that Arteta couldn't?
Because the club is in freaking trouble? Have you been paying attention to what I have written? 25% of the club's revenue is gone. There's now talk of no live audience until next year. Every sports club is in trouble, do you seriously think football will be the same again after the COVID?
Arsenal are about to go bankrupt. Every football club is in danger of going bankrupt.
I think it's too early to compare what we've done with other clubs yet. By all accounts, almost every club is trying to come to some sort of money saving arrangement. Will be fairer to compare what Arsenal have done vs. what they have done when the dust has settled.
As regards your question: we are (or at least have been) incredibly badly run. Our club finances were built around qualifying for the CL, and we've failed to do that for three years straight while continuing to pay CL wages to our players. Our situation isn't really comparable to anyone else in the top 6, and certainly not to United who are a financial behemoth. Doesn't help that we rely so much on gate receipts (which of course are currently £0) as opposed to commercial income either. Closest comparison is probably Sp**s but worth bearing in mind they've qualified for the CL for 4 seasons straight (whereas if the season ends now we'll miss out for a 4th time straight), their wage bill is still tiny compared to ours, and they are flush with cash from reaching the CL final last season. @bingobob wrote a great post explaining why the club are so desperate to cut costs a few pages ago.
Anyway, no-one is claiming that Arsenal are about to go bankrupt. The point is that we are desperate to make the CL, to do that we need to spend, and our (already small) budget is going to be absolutely clobbered by this crisis. That's why the club are scrambling to cut costs where they can, and given that player wages are the club's biggest cost, and those players (a) aren't playing; (b) don't really need the money; and (c) should have a vested interest in the club becoming stronger, I think it was an entirely sensible request for them to make.
I think I’m just shocked by how after the club has preached about security and sustainability for years with giant cash reserves we’re apparently up sh*t creek after an unexpected delay.
Ultimately if the club is in trouble then yes pay cuts for survival are acceptable, even if it is a bit of a slap in the face to regular people up and down the country.
However I’m sorry but the argument of "well the wage cut will help us compete better next year" alongside people spinning it as a bad thing that players don't feel they should be given the burden of funding transfers out of their own pocket is ridiculous.
We're in bizarro world here. “I'm your boss, I'd like you and everyone else to take a 10% paycut during coronavirus so that we can hire new people.” In what other industry would that be acceptable?
At what point do you hold Kroenke and KSE responsible for providing extra money for transfer budgets? If the budget is looking smaller for next year then I don’t know who else is responsible for that other than the owners.
Don’t think this is fair, and actually says a lot about how you’re approaching this situation given my current Özil stance is in line with what I have been saying for weeks - footballers not being pressured into compromising their wages unless there is a clear need with no alternatives.
This has been my stance for weeks in the Covid thread whenever footballer wages have come up, long before this Özil situation.
I don’t give a toss about Özil, think he should be sold now or should’ve been sold last season, Raul and Vinai did say they won’t let players run deals down but we have 4/5 players running deals down after losing Ramsey for free. The real discussion now has to be how long Raul Sanhelli can survive at Arsenal given Arsenal are going backwards on the pitch and there are no improvements off it in terms of recruitment and contracts.
What’s with this constant negative slant from you? Managers have always catered to footballers, it’s called man management.Wenger let Özil walk all over him and take breaks whenever he liked, what can he sort out that Arteta couldn't?
What’s with this constant negative slant from? Managers have always catered to footballers, it’s called man management.