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Mikel Arteta: Aston La Vista To The Title?
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HairSprayGooners
My brother posted it ⏩
The fact that you'd rather stick with the likes of Luiz, Willian, Xhaka, Bellerin and such instead of backing Arteta makes me feel sick. You're no Arsenal fan.
Buzzing for what you want, a new manager to come in and give Xhaka, Bellerin and Lacazette clean slates
shivering.You know forming an opinion based on the anonymous ramblings of a tweet who’s sources are questionable and who’s authenticity is even more shrouded might not be the best thing.
I should think most persons wouldn’t just take some anonymous tweet as gospel or give them much credence because it might fit a narrative that suits them (anti Chelsea players or Pro Arteta/Anti Arteta).
We really shouldn’t be giving these kinds of comments any space or time.
HairSprayGooners
My brother posted it ⏩
If it suited your narrative you'd be all for it though. Drip.
Your lack of intelligence is truly baffling. I am quite concerned how you managed to infer the foregoing from my statement.The fact that you'd rather stick with the likes of Luiz, Willian, Xhaka, Bellerin and such instead of backing Arteta makes me feel sick. You're no Arsenal fan.
Buzzing for what you want, a new manager to come in and give Xhaka, Bellerin and Lacazette clean slates
Then again I should not be surprised as you do have a penchant for buffoonery. Carry on.
Lidl_Reed
Wants a new name
The only one sticking with the likes of Luiz, Willian, Xhaka, Bellerin and co is Arteta himself who plays them every game, defends them after every game, and signed one of them too
Riou
In The Winchester, Waiting For This To Blow Over
Country: Northern Ireland
Player:Gabriel
Arteta be feeling like Orton, after Evolution turned on him 
HairSprayGooners
My brother posted it ⏩
The only thing you ever say back to people is that they're not intelligent
I'll give you a taster of what happens -
Forum member - Offers opinion
@Kav - disagrees
Forum member - gives well thought out opinion for debate
@Kav - proceeds to claim how intelligent he is and how much football knowledge he has. Whilst also putting said forum member down claiming they're completely stupid for having a different opinion.
You offer nothing constructive because you're a destructive human being. There's people you can see about that.
You quite clearly want Arteta out when the main problem is the players. That was my point, but you clearly wasn't intelligent enough to figure that out
HairSprayGooners
My brother posted it ⏩
Kind of difficult when your 3 midfield options are Ceballos, Elneny and Xhaka, Pepe and Nelson are suspended or injured and Rob Holding is your RCB.
The options we have are shocking.
Country: England
Player:Rice
I think my post was in response to the idea that if a new manager comes in it should be a fresh slate for everyone. I 100% disagree with that. Managers deserve to get sacked if they don't pick up results. That's the nature of the game.
There has to be some responsibility on the players too though. When there's a history of players not performing up to the standard expected under multiple managers they need to go. Whether that's due to ability or mentality.
In terms of Xhaka, Hector and Laca. I'm not saying they're poisonous characters. I'm actually quite fond of two of them. But all 3 of them should have been moved on by now in my opinion.
Laca - We bought for nearly £50m. He's on his third manager. He's had one really good season but he's a 15 goal a year striker, give or take. That's not good enough. He's been here pushing 4 years now. He should have been moved on.
Bellerin - He's on his third manager. Been here forever. Yeah he's had a bad injury so I cut him a bit of slack but he had stagnated as a player before that. He's too comfortable here and needs to move on.
Xhaka - He's on his third manager. Waste of £35m. He's been here 4.5 years. We've had 1-2 couple of months spells where he's looked decent. The rest of that time period he's ranged from poor to diabolical. Why's he still here?
Why are we allowing players who are either not as good as we thought when we initially bought them, or underperforming to hang around for 4-5 years? That's my issue. Yet some people want these guys to get ANOTHER fresh start under another manager. When they've proved they're not up to standard. Why?
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That last line seems like it's directed at the board/owners.
Yeah, seems like a plea for time.
The decision makers may have known it wouldn't be a quick fix, but they'd never imagined it to be a tear it all down and start from the championship.
Tosker
Does Not Hate Foreigners
Mikel Arteta: Why Arsenal have 'no doubts' despite worst start in decades
Last updated on44 minutes ago44 minutes ago.From the sectionArsenal
When Arsenal appointed Mikel Arteta as head coach a year ago on Sunday, they were 10th in the Premier League and seven points adrift of the Champions League places.
That, it was felt, was just not good enough.
So for the Gunners now to be 15th in the table, 10 points off fourth and significantly closer to the bottom three than the European places has inevitably raised questions.
The absence of supporters at Emirates Stadium means taking the temperature of the fan base can be tricky. Social media is rarely a place to find measured, nuanced debate, so perhaps it is not surprising #ArtetaOut trends when the team is losing. Nothing new there, but those who want change one year after the Arsenal manager's arrival should know it will make no difference.
The vote of confidence issued to Arteta by Arsenal technical director Edu seems to me more than empty rhetoric. It bodes well for the manager that the message is very clearly that he will be given time. The reality is he is certainly going to need it.
How bad is the current situation?
Arsenal slipped to a fourth straight home defeat with a 1-0 loss to Burnley at Emirates Stadium at the weekend before drawing with Southampton on Wednesday
The optimists would tell you things aren't anything like as bad as they might seem and that Arteta's Arsenal have already won a trophy (last season's FA Cup) and, despite everything, are within a few victories of the European places.
The other way of looking at it, of course, is that they are sixth from bottom, have won once in nine games and are enduring their worst start to a season in 39 years.
But context is important. He arrived in mid-December, a notoriously bad time to join any club. Then the pandemic hit. So to be reflecting 12 months on with the FA Cup in the trophy cabinet is far from a disastrous place to be. The unusual nature of this season also means coming to definitive conclusions is difficult.
Perhaps the FA Cup win raised expectations too high. It was a victory by a side that need root and branch changes if they are ever to return to their former glories, not just on the pitch.
Arsenal know it and so does Arteta.
Why is Arteta struggling to resolve the problems?
It isn't rocket science. In its simplest sense Arteta is struggling because he hasn't got good enough players and I think he would also admit that changes around him that are required to win consistently do not come quickly.
Perhaps most worryingly, there is a lack of character and hierarchy within the team and that is very difficult to buy or replace. How do you make leaders in a matter of months? The persistence on Granit Xhaka, both by Arteta and his predecessor Unai Emery, is because he is one of the top personalities in the group.
And of course there is the persistent question of what to do with Mesut Özil.
The notion that the uncomfortable situation that exists between Arteta and the German is in some way linked to the Spaniard's intransigence is way off the mark.
Bearing in mind the colossal financial burden of having a player like Özil twiddling his thumbs at the club, the idea that Özil would not have been given his chance to show Arteta that he has a vital part to play in the Arsenal renaissance is frankly preposterous.
My feeling is Arteta will have given him ample opportunity to prove himself, not just for financial reasons but primarily because everyone, including Arteta, knows what a fantastic asset he could be. To suggest he is being deliberately sidelined because of some imaginary political stand is, in my opinion, judging not knowing the full story.
I sense Edu cannot speak as freely as he might wish to because of the contract situation the player has, and I imagine there are probably things that are best left unsaid.
The Özil issue is reflective of the wider problem - Arteta simply does not have enough consistent seven-out-of-10 performers who can provide the vital base that is needed to bring stability to the side. Not yet anyway.
To do that he will need to re-instil the winning mentality that was prevalent in so many of the great Arsenal sides of yesteryear, not just on the pitch but throughout the whole structure of the club. Arteta wants to create a culture where everyone is challenged, everywhere, as that is still missing.
It is also not lost on him, nor the club, that while he is a talented and very promising coach, he still has a lot to learn. When, at his arrival, he told Arsenal employees that his door is always open to anyone, he was not only offering his support but also asking to grow together.
Passionate, obsessed and perhaps too concerned with trying to cover too many bases - I can't imagine whom he learned that from - the message, according to sources close to players, sometimes becomes overloaded.
It would not be the first time a rookie coach has tried to explain everything at once and players have found it difficult to assimilate it all. It is an aspect of his coaching approach that he knows he has to work on. And he will because, over and above everything, Arteta has a very clear idea of what he wants to do with the team and is aware he has to learn ways to mould it to his image.
His magic appears in the regular one-on-one conversations he has with all the first-team players, who have never been briefed so often by a manager. The youth players who have made their debuts in the first team have been impressed by the emphasis on detail in training (Arteta takes the most important parts of it, while his coaching staff, who are also adapting to working at a top Premier League club, add their part) and have loved the empowering that comes from hearing the manager say, just before coming on for the first time, "you know what to do, I trust you".
There have been flashes of brilliance on the pitch that indicate things are going in the right direction as well as moments of doubt and mediocrity. But one thing is very clear: the squad believe in what is being proposed and now, if Arteta decided to dramatically change his tactics, his players would not let him do it.
Arteta secured his first major trophy as a manager when Arsenal beat Chelsea in the FA Cup final in August
The club, perhaps thinking of magical quick fixes, have considered the presence of a senior figure as a calming, guiding influence and Arsène Wenger's name has cropped up. But that idea comes with a warning. Sir Alex Ferguson, and before him Bill Shankly, also tried to get close to decision-makers after their retirement and neither ended particularly well.
Tactically, some consider Arteta a bit too cautious, and he certainly has had to forget for now some of his principles to use what is at his disposal. This Arsenal side are improving in their ability to move the ball from box to box, plus they are one of the top teams in Europe when it comes to recovering the ball in the opposition half, but they are clearly not showing enough creativity in the middle of the pitch, and that same lack of quality and confidence explains their difficulties in the final third.
In a nutshell, Arteta needs to improve what he has while working with Edu to find ways to buy in the quality he needs.
Will Arteta get time and what will he do next?
There are some positives for the future. Players like Gabriel Magalhaes, Thomas Partey, Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang, Gabriel Martinelli and Xhaka are vital in the short term but the squad he has is unbalanced. While the free signing of Willian could have gone better, there are enough quality players in the squad to challenge for European places.
But there is much more to be done.
Arteta has not been helped by the unfortunate injury to Partey, who does not have a replacement and whose job was not only to add quality and calm to the midfield, but also to lead and make the team more robust and competitive.
Off the pitch Arteta's relationship with Edu is very good - they speak every day. Arteta is your typical first to arrive, last to leave type of coach, completely immersed in the profession.
Their conversations will have included the conclusion that the squad is not good enough but also too big, and I fully expect a number of players to go out on loan this winter so they can gain experience and polish their skills - players like Reiss Nelson and Emile Smith Rowe, the kind who will almost certainly go on to become Arsenal staples, but not yet.
Crunch time will then come in the summer when five players come to the end of their contracts. That represents a big opportunity, now that the decision-makers are on the same wavelength, to make more strides in the direction they want to form a team that is proactive, dominant, offensive, dynamic, fast and physical.
There is not a single doubt anywhere in the club that Arteta can become a top coach and manager, but he will need to be helped by those around him. Edu will constantly monitor that the relationship between his manager, coaching staff and squad is working well and so far he has seen nothing to suggest everyone is not on board with the coach and his long-term plans.
And "long term" is the key. If Arteta is to succeed at the Emirates then the Arsenal fans must accept it is
Last updated on44 minutes ago44 minutes ago.From the sectionArsenal
When Arsenal appointed Mikel Arteta as head coach a year ago on Sunday, they were 10th in the Premier League and seven points adrift of the Champions League places.
That, it was felt, was just not good enough.
So for the Gunners now to be 15th in the table, 10 points off fourth and significantly closer to the bottom three than the European places has inevitably raised questions.
The absence of supporters at Emirates Stadium means taking the temperature of the fan base can be tricky. Social media is rarely a place to find measured, nuanced debate, so perhaps it is not surprising #ArtetaOut trends when the team is losing. Nothing new there, but those who want change one year after the Arsenal manager's arrival should know it will make no difference.
The vote of confidence issued to Arteta by Arsenal technical director Edu seems to me more than empty rhetoric. It bodes well for the manager that the message is very clearly that he will be given time. The reality is he is certainly going to need it.
How bad is the current situation?
Arsenal slipped to a fourth straight home defeat with a 1-0 loss to Burnley at Emirates Stadium at the weekend before drawing with Southampton on Wednesday
The optimists would tell you things aren't anything like as bad as they might seem and that Arteta's Arsenal have already won a trophy (last season's FA Cup) and, despite everything, are within a few victories of the European places.
The other way of looking at it, of course, is that they are sixth from bottom, have won once in nine games and are enduring their worst start to a season in 39 years.
But context is important. He arrived in mid-December, a notoriously bad time to join any club. Then the pandemic hit. So to be reflecting 12 months on with the FA Cup in the trophy cabinet is far from a disastrous place to be. The unusual nature of this season also means coming to definitive conclusions is difficult.
Perhaps the FA Cup win raised expectations too high. It was a victory by a side that need root and branch changes if they are ever to return to their former glories, not just on the pitch.
Arsenal know it and so does Arteta.
Why is Arteta struggling to resolve the problems?
It isn't rocket science. In its simplest sense Arteta is struggling because he hasn't got good enough players and I think he would also admit that changes around him that are required to win consistently do not come quickly.
Perhaps most worryingly, there is a lack of character and hierarchy within the team and that is very difficult to buy or replace. How do you make leaders in a matter of months? The persistence on Granit Xhaka, both by Arteta and his predecessor Unai Emery, is because he is one of the top personalities in the group.
And of course there is the persistent question of what to do with Mesut Özil.
The notion that the uncomfortable situation that exists between Arteta and the German is in some way linked to the Spaniard's intransigence is way off the mark.
Bearing in mind the colossal financial burden of having a player like Özil twiddling his thumbs at the club, the idea that Özil would not have been given his chance to show Arteta that he has a vital part to play in the Arsenal renaissance is frankly preposterous.
My feeling is Arteta will have given him ample opportunity to prove himself, not just for financial reasons but primarily because everyone, including Arteta, knows what a fantastic asset he could be. To suggest he is being deliberately sidelined because of some imaginary political stand is, in my opinion, judging not knowing the full story.
I sense Edu cannot speak as freely as he might wish to because of the contract situation the player has, and I imagine there are probably things that are best left unsaid.
The Özil issue is reflective of the wider problem - Arteta simply does not have enough consistent seven-out-of-10 performers who can provide the vital base that is needed to bring stability to the side. Not yet anyway.
To do that he will need to re-instil the winning mentality that was prevalent in so many of the great Arsenal sides of yesteryear, not just on the pitch but throughout the whole structure of the club. Arteta wants to create a culture where everyone is challenged, everywhere, as that is still missing.
It is also not lost on him, nor the club, that while he is a talented and very promising coach, he still has a lot to learn. When, at his arrival, he told Arsenal employees that his door is always open to anyone, he was not only offering his support but also asking to grow together.
Passionate, obsessed and perhaps too concerned with trying to cover too many bases - I can't imagine whom he learned that from - the message, according to sources close to players, sometimes becomes overloaded.
It would not be the first time a rookie coach has tried to explain everything at once and players have found it difficult to assimilate it all. It is an aspect of his coaching approach that he knows he has to work on. And he will because, over and above everything, Arteta has a very clear idea of what he wants to do with the team and is aware he has to learn ways to mould it to his image.
His magic appears in the regular one-on-one conversations he has with all the first-team players, who have never been briefed so often by a manager. The youth players who have made their debuts in the first team have been impressed by the emphasis on detail in training (Arteta takes the most important parts of it, while his coaching staff, who are also adapting to working at a top Premier League club, add their part) and have loved the empowering that comes from hearing the manager say, just before coming on for the first time, "you know what to do, I trust you".
There have been flashes of brilliance on the pitch that indicate things are going in the right direction as well as moments of doubt and mediocrity. But one thing is very clear: the squad believe in what is being proposed and now, if Arteta decided to dramatically change his tactics, his players would not let him do it.
Arteta secured his first major trophy as a manager when Arsenal beat Chelsea in the FA Cup final in August
The club, perhaps thinking of magical quick fixes, have considered the presence of a senior figure as a calming, guiding influence and Arsène Wenger's name has cropped up. But that idea comes with a warning. Sir Alex Ferguson, and before him Bill Shankly, also tried to get close to decision-makers after their retirement and neither ended particularly well.
Tactically, some consider Arteta a bit too cautious, and he certainly has had to forget for now some of his principles to use what is at his disposal. This Arsenal side are improving in their ability to move the ball from box to box, plus they are one of the top teams in Europe when it comes to recovering the ball in the opposition half, but they are clearly not showing enough creativity in the middle of the pitch, and that same lack of quality and confidence explains their difficulties in the final third.
In a nutshell, Arteta needs to improve what he has while working with Edu to find ways to buy in the quality he needs.
Will Arteta get time and what will he do next?
There are some positives for the future. Players like Gabriel Magalhaes, Thomas Partey, Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang, Gabriel Martinelli and Xhaka are vital in the short term but the squad he has is unbalanced. While the free signing of Willian could have gone better, there are enough quality players in the squad to challenge for European places.
But there is much more to be done.
Arteta has not been helped by the unfortunate injury to Partey, who does not have a replacement and whose job was not only to add quality and calm to the midfield, but also to lead and make the team more robust and competitive.
Off the pitch Arteta's relationship with Edu is very good - they speak every day. Arteta is your typical first to arrive, last to leave type of coach, completely immersed in the profession.
Their conversations will have included the conclusion that the squad is not good enough but also too big, and I fully expect a number of players to go out on loan this winter so they can gain experience and polish their skills - players like Reiss Nelson and Emile Smith Rowe, the kind who will almost certainly go on to become Arsenal staples, but not yet.
Crunch time will then come in the summer when five players come to the end of their contracts. That represents a big opportunity, now that the decision-makers are on the same wavelength, to make more strides in the direction they want to form a team that is proactive, dominant, offensive, dynamic, fast and physical.
There is not a single doubt anywhere in the club that Arteta can become a top coach and manager, but he will need to be helped by those around him. Edu will constantly monitor that the relationship between his manager, coaching staff and squad is working well and so far he has seen nothing to suggest everyone is not on board with the coach and his long-term plans.
And "long term" is the key. If Arteta is to succeed at the Emirates then the Arsenal fans must accept it is
Country: Wales
If there’s a power struggle between him and Edu it’s no contest for me.
Invincible winner or not my man Edu can take a plane back to Rio first thing.
Country: England
Tbf I don't see this anywhere. The few who are fine with Lacazette and Xhaka are the extreme minority.
All over the forum, you see people crying out for U23s to start lol.
I want to move on from Arteta because I feel like regardless of what he has at his disposal I won't be convinced. I am not sure why the chosen one Arteta needs to have his ideal squad and the rest of the league bar Pep has to manage with what they got and try and get the best out of them.
Arteta harping on about lack of specific personnel and journo's largely agreeing with it just leaves a bad taste in my mouth tbh.
Country: Wales
I could do without the nauseating PR offensive every 5 seconds backing Arteta though. Ballague saying we’re a few points off the European places is ridiculous.
Whole lot of words to basically just blame Özil and say we won the cup so any criticism is invalid.
Yes he maybe deserves time but you can’t sell these awful performances as actual successes for Arteta.
Whole lot of words to basically just blame Özil and say we won the cup so any criticism is invalid.
Yes he maybe deserves time but you can’t sell these awful performances as actual successes for Arteta.
This is why I can’t back him. He always comes across as finding an excuse for everything rather than look at himself. Nobody said it was going to be a quick fix, but he hasn’t fixed a ****ing thing. Statistically he has made it worse.
The quote on the first page:
Somehow that became needing 5-6 players to play his ideal system.
Yeah, basically morphed into Pep after 12 months. Cheque book manager.
The thing is Arteta has adapted to the current set of players, we saw that back end of last season with the way we played. I think he even mentioned it in an interview that he has to play a certain way to suit the players.
The problem is teams have figured us out, and the players have lost all confidence. Arteta hasn't been able to come up with a new way of playing that is effective. I do feel for him in that regard.
The problem is teams have figured us out, and the players have lost all confidence. Arteta hasn't been able to come up with a new way of playing that is effective. I do feel for him in that regard.
