Does that mean they're going to bring in the 4 or 5 players this summer, or is that also going to be a gradual thing? We've been 4 or 5 players away for years, either do it all in one summer or don't bother.
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Mikel Arteta: Aston La Vista To The Title?
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Does that mean they're going to bring in the 4 or 5 players this summer, or is that also going to be a gradual thing? We've been 4 or 5 players away for years, either do it all in one summer or don't bother.
BigPoppaPump
Reeling from Laca & Kos nightmares
Can’t do another season of Artetaball, Edu and Vinai are even worse than Gazidis.
If he gradually implements more of the rubbish he's served this season, the fans will gradually-at speed- walk away.
blrgooner
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With regards to your first point, I think you need to go with the best team you can at all point of times.I know we are 9th now, but we could have finished 6-7th if some other results went our way and if we had had more luck. I don`t think we should have risked that. So I don`t think I agree with the argument that we should have played Willock and AMN because we wouldn`t have got relegated with them.
Regarding the second point, I do agree. This mean that any manager we bring in again should be someone who could work in the long run. We should be able to accept highs and lows and slow improvement. Thats exactly the reason I am not completely against Arteta though. We wouldn`t get anywhere if we expect a new coach to come be as good as Wenger and get top 4 position while playing youngsters and also playing attacking football. I think its not even fair to expect that.
Sniper Mik
Not a Closet Sp**s Fan
Like @Macho says, this club deserves all the misery it's having. Pack of fools.
Sniper Mik
Not a Closet Sp**s Fan
I can already see next season's excuse - "We had the EUROS! Hard to make signings! He needs all the players for his preseason!"
BigPoppaPump
Reeling from Laca & Kos nightmares
akhil
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Matters sweet f**k all! The moment the fans are back in the Emirates, he'll be sacked within a couple of months unless he gets a dramatic improvement in performances. You'd need to be blind to not see that we're badly under performing. The players will turn on him if they're getting booed everytime they get on the pitch.
UnbiasedNeutral
If I don't survive, tell my wife "hello"
Maybe the pundits are criticizing Arteta because they can look at it more objectively and see that your squad is crap and there's clearly a rebuilding process needed.
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Yeah but if we lose a player then we’re 5 or 6 away.
That way it can go on forever.
Weliveinacrazyworld
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I’m looking at the Chelsea vs Real Madrid highlights and I can’t help but wonder how Lampard had this team all the way down to 9th.... seeing Chelsea with Tuchel compared to seeing Chelsea with Lampard is like night and day. The power of having an experienced manager versus a rookie manager.
If only the Arsenal board weren’t so blind to see Arteta is clearly NOT the man for us. Sack this fool already!!!!
If only the Arsenal board weren’t so blind to see Arteta is clearly NOT the man for us. Sack this fool already!!!!
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That "x number of players away" line triggers me so badly.
Like the dude isn't even making full use of the squad at the moment.
So I do photography on the side....a little but of click action. And you see that often people fall into the trap of thinking that they need a better camera or a better lens to take better pictures.
Most of the time the "gear" they have is more than adequate but they need to improve their skills; so they need to learn to use light more properly or learn better composition etc.
I'm beginning to question if it's the same with Arteta. In that we hear it that he needs his own players but I wonder if he'd be better served squeezing out the potential in the already decent players here (well the ones that are decent I should say).
That's not to say we are perfect and certainly you look at a brother like Pep and getting him expensive hand picked players makes a difference but still, it's unrealistic given our position that Arteta will have a team only consisting of HIS players.
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Iceman10
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Think there is a bit of a misunderstanding here. I never conceded Elneny and Ceballos were the better options. The best and worst case with Willock and ANN cannot be precisely defined, but all I said is we wouldn't have been relegated regardless. The difference between 10th and 15th isn't meaningful. Actually carrying through a "project" when you say you are instead of band-aids is.
I just pointed out Elneny/Ceballos have proven to be deadenders meaning we've wasted a season with players we know are going nowhere and therefore have no learnings or progress with what is supposed to be a "project". To be fair to Ceballos he had a decent run-in last season but when things weren't going well for him this season and it was clear he wasn't proving we should buy him.on a permanent his minutes should have gone elsewhere. We have depreciated AMN as an asset through marginalisation, and in a Covid situation where the club is losing money that is not smart.
For Willock I have gone into his upside and potential ceiling in his thread. With few exceptions (Cesc, Jack), it is hard for any CM under 22 years old to be a consistent high performer in the PL. They need match time to maintain and grow technical skills while patience is afforded for things to click with tactical and positional awareness, as well as decision making. Many on here at A-M were saying "sell, sell, sell" for Aaron Rsmsey when Arsène was giving him lots of minutes when it looked to people here that his progress had stalled out, because they didn't understand. Willock is breaking through with decision making and we are seeing it in part with end product now, and I'm sure he can take that forwards in refining an overall #8 role long term.
Willock and AMN are still developing players in young age. Elneny and Ceballos are proving to be deadenders, and again, we're talking about overall backups to Xhaka/Partey here, not expected first choice regulars for this season.
mirrorstare
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Lampard played more interesting football than Tuchel, he just had a bad month and the curse of being the team that splurged the cash, forcing himself into a corner to justify that spending.
Werner had no problem admitting if only he could score some sitters on that period Lampard would still be around, and Tuchel with less pressure could wait until Ziyech and Havertz started kicking and focus more on being stable than on flexing their new signings, but even then you can see none of them has set the world alight.
Their player of the season is easily the guy that was memed as Lampard's son, and Lampard proved his worth both with a top 4 finish despite not being able to sign reinforcements and helping Chelsea finally make good use of their youth setup they kept ignoring for so long. Not a bad legacy for a rookie, this really could be huge for Chelsea in the long term.
I wish I could say something similar about Arteta, but there isn't anything salvageable and that's why so many people are scared of whoever comes next. Not because they actually believe the crap about nobody being able to do a better job than him, but because they know behind Artetaball there is absolutely nothing worth rescuing and they don't want to swallow another rebuild process story.
But that's what you do when you make a big mistake, you start from scratch after learning the lesson. The sooner we can do this the better for the club.
scytheavatar
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Developing =/= better, cause Willock and AMN can count themselves lucky if they become as good as Elneny in the future. Again we're talking about overall backups to Xhaka/Partey here, not expected first choice regulars for this season, and it's not like we would be in a much better place if Willock and AMN were performing better. Their talent level isn't so high that they could be carrying us.
Iceman10
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Quite something to see a comment saying players would be lucky to be as good as Elneny. Think I'll leave it there without going into another case of subjectivity stated as matter of fact, something I personally try to avoid.
scytheavatar
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Elneny is an average player but he is better than Willock and AMN in almost everything. Passes better, has better touch, defends better, positions himself better. This is not an opinion, it is a fact. Willock and AMN needs to improve a lot just to become as average as Elneny.
