The Great Squad Cost Thread

[Beksl]

@Makingtrax

 

[Trilly]

@Makingtrax

Chelsea PL champions then!

 

[Beksl]

Chelsea PL champions then!

And Dortumnd should sweep the Bundesliga. Bayern has no chance.

 

[Makingtrax]

@Makingtrax

Squad value per accounts = Cost of the squad - Accumulated depreciation?? So Chelsea then has a higher value than City and Dortmund higher than Bayern Munich??

Sounds complicated.

 

[Fallout]

dont worry it's not a relevant metric. the way football clubs account for their investments (i.e. players) mirrors how a "normal" company would account for its investments (e.g. property and equipment), but there are certain details that cause the resulting figures to be very nonsensical when applied to football.

 

[Gooner416]

How Bayern have just dominated the CL so far down on the wages is incredible. To think Ivan Bumnidis thought we would be the next Bayern.

 

[Hleb's Sirush]

How Bayern have just dominated the CL so far down on the wages is incredible. To think Ivan Bumnidis thought we would be the next Bayern.

That isn't a wages list. It is some kind of weirdly worked out squad value rankings. Bayern's wages are huge. Think they have no fewer than 7 players on £200k or above per week. Just Lewandowski and Neuer alone are on more than £500k a week. Wages are out of control at every big club.

It is the reason why Bayern themselves have started campaigning for a salary cap.

 

[Moah]

If only the unity provided more money from the top.

 

[Mraven]

If only the unity provided more money from the top.

I f*cking hate this whining for more money from our fans
1. Money is not the problem
2. There are plenty of successful clubs who are self sustained
3. Being a buyers clubs is far from the club values

 

[Moah]

I f*cking hate this whining for more money from our fans
1. Money is not the problem
2. There are plenty of successful clubs who are self sustained
3. Being a buyers clubs is far from the club values

Okay let go through your listings one by one:
1. How is money not the problem it's clearly lack of fund and a messed up wage structure that has gotten us where we are
2. If X is successful doing something it doesn't guarantee Y of being successful just because they are doing the same thing
3. What does this even mean?

 

[HairSprayGooners]

Okay let go through your listings one by one:
1. How is money not the problem it's clearly lack of fund and a messed up wage structure that has gotten us where we are
2. If X is successful doing something it doesn't guarantee Y of being successful just because they are doing the same thing
3. What does this even mean?

Constructive argument of course but..

1. Money isn't the problem and you've listed one reason where it isn't. Kroenke gives us free reign of our wage bill, not many owners do that. The people who were previously in charge completely ballsed up that wage bill. Arteta and Edu will have that 90% sorted by next summer which is good news. In terms of cash for transfers we've spent £610M on players since 14/15. So again, not an issue for me, issue is recruitment and wage bill.
2. It doesn't, but you can't deny that £610M in 5 years and a wage bill of £220M+ should've given us at least a CL team by now.
3. Don't know what that means tbf

 

[Makingtrax]

1. Money is not the problem
2. There are plenty of successful clubs who are self sustained

Name any club in the EPL that has consistently sustained a challenge for a place in the top 4 whose squad cost was outside the top 4.
Only two answers
1. Wenger 2004 - 2016 which was ridiculous and will never be repeated
2. Pochettino 2015-2019 which was excellent

And that's because they were spending 5th and 6th for some of that period and had incredible managers who over performed.

Money is nearly everything.

 

[GDeep™]

Don’t want to be negative but we’re back to the Wenger days. We have a manager in charge who is expected to punch above his weight with little or no support.

 

[Makingtrax]

Don’t want to be negative but we’re back to the Wenger days. We have a manager in charge who is expected to punch above his weight with little or no support.

Exactly the problem. Like Poch at Sp**s, the moment he looked like he'd slip from the top 4 they sacked him. Spending 6th ffs! Nobody seems to understand football . . owners, fans, the lot.

 

[Makingtrax]

Tbf, I think Potch's head had gone at Sp**s...their league form from January 2019 on was relegation form, seemed a disconnect with the players and you can't get rid of all of them, so the manager had to go imo.

Yeah, it's called 'panic'. No faith in the man. Many a time Wenger looked like nowhere near the top 4, but rose like cream to the top eventually.

 

[Riou]

Yeah, it's called 'panic'. No faith in the man. Many a time Wenger looked like nowhere near the top 4, but rose like cream to the top eventually.

Both Arsène's and Potch's time at their clubs had reached it's end imo, the issue was the replacements weren't right (don't think Jose is a fit for Sp**s) though at least we have Arteta now.

 

[Mraven]

Name any club in the EPL that has consistently sustained a challenge for a place in the top 4 whose squad cost was outside the top 4.
Only two answers
1. Wenger 2004 - 2016 which was ridiculous and will never be repeated
2. Pochettino 2015-2019 which was excellent

And that's because they were spending 5th and 6th for some of that period and had incredible managers who over performed.

Money is nearly everything.

We have top 4 highest wage bill and net spend over the last seasons. If you look at the way Gazidis and Sven/Raul spent money it’s obvious it’s the way we spend money that’s holding us back. Not the amount put in by Kroenke

 

[Makingtrax]

We have top 4 highest wage bill and net spend over the last seasons. If you look at the way Gazidis and Sven/Raul spent money it’s obvious it’s the way we spend money that’s holding us back. Not the amount put in by Kroenke

**** wage bill. The only objective measure we have of player quality is what people are prepared to pay for them in an open market. It's not perfect, sometimes paying over the odds, sometimes getting a steal, but it averages out. The overall price a club pays for a the 25 man squad is the best measure of a clubs investment in the team.

On that count last year we were 5th. This year I'll wait for the CIES figures. Net spend is irrelevant for numerous reasons.

 

[Mraven]

**** wage bill. The only objective measure we have of player quality is what people are prepared to pay for them in an open market. It's not perfect, sometimes paying over the odds, sometimes getting a steal, but it averages out. The overall price a club pays for a the 25 man squad is the best measure of a clubs investment in the team.

On that count last year we were 5th. This year I'll wait for the CIES figures. Net spend is irrelevant for numerous reasons.

“**** wage bill” Our wage bill is bigger than our transfer budget. I’m arguing that our performance is not about Kroenke investments. Not what’s the most accurate predictors for league position

 

[Makingtrax]

“**** wage bill” Our wage bill is bigger than our transfer budget. I’m arguing that our performance is not about Kroenke investments. Not what’s the most accurate predictors for league position

2020 wage bills are here. Looks like we're 5th on that too.

https://www.sportekz.com/football/premier-league-clubs-wage-bills/

But anyway, the club's performance should be in line with it's investment in the team. What other measure of success is there? Expecting a club spending mid way to be challenging for the title would be as unreasonable as expecting City to drop to mid table.

The trouble is that fans of teams spending just below the top 4 richest tend to have the most unreasonable expectations, ie Sp**s and Arsenal. If Arteta gets in the top 4 he'll have over performed. I think he can do it, he looks driven and is motivating the players.