Arsenal's True Spending Position: There is no top 6

[HairSprayGooners]

Funny @Makingtrax never mentions wages with these arguments. Also the table on the left of the tweet pretty much debunks this thread AGAIN. With Liverpool.

 

[HairSprayGooners]

Can't believe Jury and Mark Tobias were banned and @HairSprayGooners is still trolling and insulting at will. He lives a charmed life.

You never respond to my posts with any form of acknowledgement. Theyre always just trolling in your opinion? Why is that? You cannot take points against yours on board and you never actually reply to points against yours. Bizarre.

 

[Makingtrax]

You never respond to my posts with any form of acknowledgement. Theyre always just trolling in your opinion? Why is that? You cannot take points against yours on board and you never actually reply to points against yours. Bizarre.

Mate, I've replied to your posts dozens of times and you keep coming back with the same stuff. Enough now.

 

[HairSprayGooners]

Mate, I've replied to your posts dozens of times and you keep coming back with the same stuff. Enough now.

Isnt the same stuff though. A club could spend 720M on 10 Pepe's and their squad cost would be mammoth but doesn't mean it will make them finish top 3. You are something else.

 

[Makingtrax]

Isnt the same stuff though. A club could spend 720M on 10 Pepe's and their squad cost would be mammoth but doesn't mean it will make them finish top 3. You are something else.

Nobody buys 10 Pepe's ffs.

 

[HairSprayGooners]

Nobody buys 10 Pepe's ffs.

You never understand the baseline point. A team like United have spent 1.1 billion on players since Fergie left and haven't even challenged for a title.

So it isnt all about squad cost is it?

 

[Makingtrax]

That's because you don't understand about odds.

History shows us that the more money you spend the better your odds of finishing higher up the league. Simple. That's it. It's not a theory, It's a fact. You're taking it too literally.

You want to consider the Prem since Fergie left. At the bottom is the expenditure on players in the table from Transfermarkt 2013-2021.

You can see United have invested the 3rd most on players in that time.
So where have they finished? 7, 4, 5, 6, 2, 6, 3rd. With respect to their investment position of 3rd they've finished (-4), (-1), (-2), (-3), (+1), (-3),(0)

So even with volatility, losing a long term manager and struggling with transfers and with a succession of different managers the most they are away from their investment position is 4 places, not 10, not 15. And that's because of the quality they can buy and the odds of them finishing higher up the table. A good manager like Fergie with stability can turn -2 into +2.

 

[Jack_the_boy]

If Liverpool are 4th how is it they won the league? Or Leicester in 2016?

 

[Makingtrax]

If Liverpool are 4th how is it they won the league? Or Leicester in 2016?

Not you too. It's all about odds. Chelsea have won it 5 times in 16 years, Liverpool have won it once in 30 years spending 4th.

Leicester have won it once in 140 years ffs. Why is it so hard to understand?

 

[Jack_the_boy]

Not you too. It's all about odds. Chelsea have won it 5 times in 16 years, Liverpool have won it once in 30 years spending 4th.

Leicester have won it once in 140 years ffs. Why is it so hard to understand?

Changing the goalposts

Why do Sp**s and Leicester keep finishing above us if we have a higher squad cost then?

 

[Godwin1]

That's because you don't understand about odds.

History shows us that the more money you spend the better your odds of finishing higher up the league. Simple. That's it. It's not a theory, It's a fact. You're taking it too literally.

You want to consider the Prem since Fergie left. At the bottom is the expenditure on players in the table from Transfermarkt 2013-2021.

You can see United have invested the 3rd most on players in that time.
So where have they finished? 7, 4, 5, 6, 2, 6, 3rd. With respect to their investment position of 3rd they've finished (-4), (-1), (-2), (-3), (+1), (-3),(0)

So even with volatility, losing a long term manager and struggling with transfers and with a succession of different managers the most they are away from their investment position is 4 places, not 10, not 15. And that's because of the quality they can buy and the odds of them finishing higher up the table. A good manager like Fergie with stability can turn -2 into +2.

What time period does this graph cover mate?

 

[Makingtrax]

Changing the goalposts

Why do Sp**s and Leicester keep finishing above us if we have a higher squad cost then?

Simple, with Wenger the club finished 1, 2 maybe 3 places above it's squad cost. Wenger beat Sp**s for 20 years straight and Leicester 19 years.

The club now is in a mess and finishing 1, 2, 3 places below their squad cost.

Why is this so hard for you?

 

[Makingtrax]

What time period does this graph cover mate?

What graph?

 

[Arsenal1508]

I would like to compare us to Bayern on management. Bayern never spend much but continues to dominate in Europe and their league.

Why? Because they a run better from top to bottom.

For me, a well run club with a good manager can get top 4 in EPL. Spending does not equal instant success....see Evrton.

 

[Jack_the_boy]

Simple, with Wenger the club finished 1, 2 maybe 3 places above it's squad cost. Wenger beat Sp**s for 20 years straight and Leicester 19 years.

The club now is in a mess and finishing 1, 2, 3 places below their squad cost.

Why is this so hard for you?

3 places off squad cost? You just defeated your own squad cost = league position theory.

 

[Makingtrax]

3 places off squad cost? You just defeated your own squad cost = league position theory.

Squad cost doesn't equal league position and never has done on any study I've seen.

 

[Rex Stone]

Funny @Makingtrax never mentions wages with these arguments. Also the table on the left of the tweet pretty much debunks this thread AGAIN. With Liverpool.

Doesn’t that tweet torpedo your “squad is relegation quality so leave Mikel alone” argument btw?

If a manager with little spending power can climb the table what’s Mikel’s excuse for doing so poorly?

 

[Jack_the_boy]

Squad cost doesn't equal league position and never has done on any study I've seen.

In some cases it’s not even close. Sheffield Utd finished 9th and Burnley finished 10th. Must be bottom 5 on your graph.

 

[Makingtrax]

I would like to compare us to Bayern on management. Bayern never spend much but continues to dominate in Europe and their league.

Why? Because they a run better from top to bottom.

For me, a well run club with a good manager can get top 4 in EPL. Spending does not equal instant success....see Evrton.

You can't compare leagues with money. The Bundesliga is run completely differently, they can have their pick of the best young German players and they're not paying over the odds like the Prem.

 

[Arsenal1508]

You can't compare leagues with money. The Bundesliga is run completely differently, they can have their pick of the best young German players and they're not paying over the odds like the Prem.

Yes you can. They are not buying just German players.