Emile Smith Rowe: Arsenal Career on Death Rowe?

[Sparrahork]

Ok but why would his value increase next season? Do you think he will get more playing time? Right now even Nelson been ahead of him on the wings and vieira in the middle

Because when fit he is a quality attacking midfielder, this year he has not been fit.

Nelson has been rewarded for doing well and esr has remained off pace, in part due to ongoing injury issues then simply lack of match fitness. Vieira has generally underwhelmed but is fit, I would suggest he will be behind esr next season if he remains.

Esr will be going to the euro u21s, this will be a chance to both prove his worth and gain some additional fitness before next season.

It is not a done deal he will return to his previous form, however on the basis of his market value currently being no more than £20m we should be taking that chance if squad size allows.

I would think for a homegrown player who can play a few positions it will.

 

[Big Poppa]

Chelsea followed that same blueprint with kdb and Salah, thankfully for them they cashed out whilst they could still get some money.

It is a fine line to sell players at the right time, we absolutely did so with willock and iwobi and some still have regrets on both. It is however absolutely not the best time to sell esr, if we sell him now we get a similar figure to what Chelsea paid for Felix for 6 months. He has had an injury ravaged season combined with a manager who is incapable of rotating. He was sensational much of last season, we would be foolish to sell now and then replace him with the inferior mason mount.

It could be my Hale End bias but I’ll be pissed if we start the season with Pepe, Tavares, Lokonga, Cedric etc in our squad but get rid of Nelson and ESR. In fact I’d throw Holding in that first group too.

I make that 6 players I’d get sell first who routinely induce moments of panic when they step on the pitch. ESR’s a level above.

Re Willock - funny thing is most people said we sold him at the right time because of ESR. I personally would’ve kept both. Arteta just rarely rotates enough.

We spent his fee + £10m on Fabio Vieira who I’d argue is an inferior player.

 

[Tourbillion]

It could be my Hale End bias but I’ll be pissed if we start the season with Pepe, Tavares, Lokonga, Cedric etc in our squad but get rid of Nelson and ESR. In fact I’d throw Holding in that first group too.

I make that 6 players I’d get sell first who routinely induce moments of panic when they step on the pitch. ESR’s a level above.

Re Willock - funny thing is most people said we sold him at the right time because of ESR. I personally would’ve kept both. Arteta just rarely rotates enough.

We spent his fee + £10m on Fabio Vieira who I’d argue is an inferior player.

Arteta never used Willock correctly. He's trash as a 10 or second striker.

He's a beast as a box to box CM or as a left 8, which ironically is where he might have shone in our new system.

 

[BigPoppaPump]

I think it’s more than that tbh. You can clearly see the players that are gassed out after a little jog.

Spoiler

 

[DanDare]

If we want to be elite team and actually win trophies. It’s time some people accept not every good young player will make it here. People want esr to stay, Nelson to stay, Balogun to stay, sign players. Oh Vieira can stay as well to see if he step up next season. Truth is if we want to sign top players, we have to sell and get money in. That means some good players are gonna be sold. The likes of Mari, Holding and Lokonga ain’t gonna bring enough money in

We been here before with the likes of AMN and bendtner. Keeping players until they lose value after refusing to sell in the right time

I agree but think ESR should stay. Think he's in a different league to all the others you mentioned. He's shown massive ability to score goals (many from the area you want our left 8 to occupy). It's not that long ago you could see how much we dropped as a team whenever he was subbed. We are a different team now but still think he has a place. He's a 6 foot, technical, dribble, decently quick midfielder who I think can easily adapt to be a CM. I hope we sell/release

Holding
Lokonga
Vieira
Nelson
Eddie
Balogun

 

[Big Poppa]

Arteta never used Willock correctly. He's trash as a 10 or second striker.

He's a beast as a box to box CM or as a left 8, which ironically is where he might have shone in our new system.

Annoyingly it took Arteta until this season to scrap the 10 role and switch to a 433. Willock would’ve been a great box to box alternative to Xhaka. Having said that what’s done is done and I hope he has a stinker tomorrow.

 

[Big Poppa]

I agree but think ESR should stay. Think he's in a different league to all the others you mentioned. He's shown massive ability to score goals (many from the area you want our left 8 to occupy). It's not that long ago you could see how much we dropped as a team whenever he was subbed. We are a different team now but still think he has a place. He's a 6 foot, technical, dribble, decently quick midfielder who I think can easily adapt to be a CM. I hope we sell/release

Holding
Lokonga
Vieira
Nelson
Eddie
Balogun

Over Tavares? Pepe? Cedric?

 

[MikelHadADream]

In an attacking sense ESR offers us something from midfield that no one else does, ball carrying/the ability to go past people ect.

Really hope he can get up to the required level as Ødegaard/ESR infront of a a solid DM would be class.

 

[GDeep™]

Would say Mick has to work on him in the summer and get ESR ready for next season to offer something.

Selling isn’t an option as his stock is probably the lowest it’s ever been after injuries and various doubts over him.

 

[Nunowoolmez]

Jack Grealish was the focal point of Villa. The main man. I actually think he was captain for a while (I may be wrong). ESR has never had that importance or impact.

No I know. What I meant was they are similar in playing style.

 

[Mrs Bergkamp]

Arteta never used Willock correctly. He's trash as a 10 or second striker.

He's a beast as a box to box CM or as a left 8, which ironically is where he might have shone in our new system.

I thought Willock did well for Emery in the EL as a b2b. If we sell Tierney, would you consider a swap for Willock if he'll return?

 

[DanDare]

Over Tavares? Pepe? Cedric?

Haha nah just forgot about all those wasters

 

[Tourbillion]

I thought Willock did well for Emery in the EL as a b2b. If we sell Tierney, would you consider a swap for Willock if he'll return?

The best Willock looked for us was in preseason of 2019. Emery used him as a CM then and he was class, including vs Barcelona away. Not sure why he didn't blossom there from then on.

I would consider such a swap, yes. He's a Hale End kid and would be a great squad option now.

 

[Mrs Bergkamp]

The best Willock looked for us was in preseason of 2019. Emery used him as a CM then and he was class, including vs Barcelona away. Not sure why he didn't blossom there from then on.

I would consider such a swap, yes. He's a Hale End kid and would be a great squad option now.

I'm not sure Willock would settle for being a squaddie but he'd certainly add to our somewhat one paced midfield

 

[Sparrahork]

I thought Willock did well for Emery in the EL as a b2b. If we sell Tierney, would you consider a swap for Willock if he'll return?

Brilliant thought provoking suggestion! Definite merit to it.

 

[Mrs Bergkamp]

Brilliant thought provoking suggestion! Definite merit to it.

After Alexis/Mike swap, I'm a bit reticent but I'm not convinced we'll have the budget to complete the squad in the way that we need to. We'll have to be clever.

 

[Tourbillion]

I'm not sure Willock would settle for being a squaddie but he'd certainly add to our somewhat one paced midfield

True but there'll be enough important minutes to go around. He could rotate with e.g. Rice at left 8.

 

[Rasmi]

No I know. What I meant was they are similar in playing style.

Grealish has elite ball control and never lose the ball and he is much better dribbler. You can be similar and much inferior

 

[Mrs Bergkamp]

True but there'll be enough important minutes to go around. He could rotate with e.g. Rice at left 8.

I'd prefer Willock over Rice and go for Caciedo but that's for another thread

 

[SuperMikel]

I dont for a second think Arteta doesn't rate him. All the innuendo is because he has been out of the team for a while now. Why would he be back in the team when he lacks match fitness and sharpness? He needs a pre-season and to start afresh with the rest of the squad.

He scored 10 league goals last season and was averaging just over a goal a game until he got injured and over time lost his spot to Martinelli. He scored against Sp**s, Chelsea and United last season. He needs to get on the same wavelength as Saka, Ødegaard, Trossard, Jesus, Martinelli. He cannot come back from a 4-5 month lay off and just sync with the team.

I remember when Martinelli was out injured for a long time. We didnt cast him aside, and we wont do the same with ESR.