Gabriel Martinelli: Dogged and Determined

[aryal]

That tenacity always reminds me of Alexis. I hope you’re right about this season. Love this kid.

Alexis was by far our best player since Henry. Maybe exception is auba.

No chance saka or martinelli will reach alexis levels

 

[drippin]

Alexis was by far our best player since Henry. Maybe exception is auba.

No chance saka or martinelli will reach alexis levels

No chance? Alexis was at about same point in Serie A playing okay for Udinese. These guys are starters for Arsenal in EPL, especially Saka, at similar age.

 

[Riou]

I don't know why people think we need to sign a new LW, I think this kid is ready to be a starter and I don't want to hinder that...we have ESR to back him up anyway.

Use/save the funds for when a new starting CM is spotted, think Gabby will be as good as Saka...our wingers are gonna destroy teams this season!

 

[aryal]

No chance? Alexis was at about same point in Serie A playing okay for Udinese. These guys are starters for Arsenal in EPL, especially Saka, at similar age.

Okay maybe it's unfair to say they have no chance, but I'm of the school of thought that players have ceilings. (I.e. an upper potential).

By the time you're about 18, I think a player's upper ceiling is set by their core traits and tendencies. Then the rest of the career is about mastering them and maybe developing a few new traits. But by and large traits are set in by 18ish.

Look at Messi- he was beating players at the age of 13 and he's done that all his career. Look at Fabregas, he had exceptional passing when he burst onto the Arsenal scene at age 16 and that's what his career was about - exceptional passing. He never really became a shooter or someone who could head the ball. So he had a ceiling when it came to shooting and heading.

Similarly, Alexis had the traits to become elite (such as dribbling and ability to beat the man), so he eventually exploited that at arsenal.

I just don't see someone like Saka having elite traits that will allow him to eventually be elite. I think he will just end up as a very very good player.

For example, Saka rarely can whip in a ball from the byline like a tent Arnold does. He passes it back to the center of the pitch to the midfielder and that means the attack down the wing has ended. Having said that, he has great ability to be in the box and a lot of his goals come from inside the box.

He'll be a great player. Just not Alexis levels I think. I just don't see the traits there.

Final example - van perspective was already showing ability to do the unexpected at a v young age. He honed that and became an elite shooter of the ball. Remember those Big crosses where he would volley into the net.

I don't see that elite trait in Saka. if anything I think Martinelli may have it. He may have a higher ceiling than Saka as he is so driven to beat his man. He just needs better end output

 

[drippin]

I don't know why people think we need to sign a new LW, I think this kid is ready to be a starter and I don't want to hinder that...we have ESR to back him up anyway.

Use/save the funds for when a new starting CM is spotted, think Gabby will be as good as Saka...our wingers are gonna destroy teams this season!

It's because the club wanted Raphinha, so many of us now think that we have the funds for a winger to replace Pepe.

I'm of the thinking that we need a player that is RW+LW plus possibly ST who can do everything in that order.

Someone like Zaha would fit that role perfectly, but only if he is fine with competing with our youngsters. At a bigger club than Palace.

We need quality depth, and even experience to the team.

 

[14Henry]

Okay maybe it's unfair to say they have no chance, but I'm of the school of thought that players have ceilings. (I.e. an upper potential).

By the time you're about 18, I think a player's upper ceiling is set by their core traits and tendencies. Then the rest of the career is about mastering them and maybe developing a few new traits. But by and large traits are set in by 18ish.

Look at Messi- he was beating players at the age of 13 and he's done that all his career. Look at Fabregas, he had exceptional passing when he burst onto the Arsenal scene at age 16 and that's what his career was about - exceptional passing. He never really became a shooter or someone who could head the ball. So he had a ceiling when it came to shooting and heading.

Similarly, Alexis had the traits to become elite (such as dribbling and ability to beat the man), so he eventually exploited that at arsenal.

I just don't see someone like Saka having elite traits that will allow him to eventually be elite. I think he will just end up as a very very good player.

For example, Saka rarely can whip in a ball from the byline like a tent Arnold does. He passes it back to the center of the pitch to the midfielder and that means the attack down the wing has ended. Having said that, he has great ability to be in the box and a lot of his goals come from inside the box.

He'll be a great player. Just not Alexis levels I think. I just don't see the traits there.

Final example - van perspective was already showing ability to do the unexpected at a v young age. He honed that and became an elite shooter of the ball. Remember those Big crosses where he would volley into the net.

I don't see that elite trait in Saka. if anything I think Martinelli may have it. He may have a higher ceiling than Saka as he is so driven to beat his man. He just needs better end output

At 21-22 both KDB and Salah were deemed not good enough by Chelsea. Both had to drop down to a lower league than the PL and not to the top clubs in them leagues. At that point in their careers, nobody in world football though that 5 years later they would be arguably the 2 best players in the PL. And consistently achieving what they have/are.

Some players develop that extra 10-15% later.

 

[drippin]

Okay maybe it's unfair to say they have no chance, but I'm of the school of thought that players have ceilings. (I.e. an upper potential).

By the time you're about 18, I think a player's upper ceiling is set by their core traits and tendencies. Then the rest of the career is about mastering them and maybe developing a few new traits. But by and large traits are set in by 18ish.

Look at Messi- he was beating players at the age of 13 and he's done that all his career. Look at Fabregas, he had exceptional passing when he burst onto the Arsenal scene at age 16 and that's what his career was about - exceptional passing. He never really became a shooter or someone who could head the ball. So he had a ceiling when it came to shooting and heading.

Similarly, Alexis had the traits to become elite (such as dribbling and ability to beat the man), so he eventually exploited that at arsenal.

I just don't see someone like Saka having elite traits that will allow him to eventually be elite. I think he will just end up as a very very good player.

For example, Saka rarely can whip in a ball from the byline like a tent Arnold does. He passes it back to the center of the pitch to the midfielder and that means the attack down the wing has ended. Having said that, he has great ability to be in the box and a lot of his goals come from inside the box.

He'll be a great player. Just not Alexis levels I think. I just don't see the traits there.

Final example - van perspective was already showing ability to do the unexpected at a v young age. He honed that and became an elite shooter of the ball. Remember those Big crosses where he would volley into the net.

I don't see that elite trait in Saka. if anything I think Martinelli may have it. He may have a higher ceiling than Saka as he is so driven to beat his man. He just needs better end output

Okay, I understand. It's hard to say how careers go, but I see Saka having higher ceiling than Alexis. Alexis was such a hard worker as the best in the game, that he fulfilled his potential to the max at Arsenal.

Saka is not as good as Trent in crossing, of course, Trent is like top 10 in the world in that. But it does not mean that he is lacking in that department if he does not cross much, because that is related to tactics more than his qualities. He takes our corners on the right.

The kid can also shoot, and it will come in time very likely. Not prime Van Persie levels of course, as he is one of the best ever strikers of the ball.

 

[Jackie_Treehorn]

Alexis was by far our best player since Henry. Maybe exception is auba.

No chance saka or martinelli will reach alexis levels

I mean, all I said was his tenacity reminds me of Alexis, but if you want to invent a claim I didn’t make to argue that’s cool

 

[Entropics]

Saka's crossing is excellent, somehow his most underrated trait.

Martinelli seems more exciting because he seems to have more tools on his locker, but as long as his head stays down when dribbling he isn't going to be half the player Saka is.

 

[DJ_Markstar]

i'm agree with people say that need to step up and in my opinion is on the right way for step up. still already level of last year wasn't bad at all , despite discontinuity if we look to advanced stats of last season he was better then Saka in an important stat as:
G+A-PK*90' (goals + assist - penalty kick per 90') he have: 0.53 (third best of the team) and Bukayo 0.48 (4th best). He played for 1860' and Saka 2978' .

You'd ideally want them both up around .75 per game in a couple of years, then we can start to really think about winning things.

 

[A_G]

@Hunta headed straight to the top I’m afraid

 

[Riou]

@Hunta headed straight to the top I’m afraid

Did you see that clip when AFTV are discussing Tielemans, and they are all agreeing he is better than Xhaka...then Lee says he's better than Partey too.

They all start having a go at him, and he tells them all to shut up or something...legend

 

[A_G]

Did you see that clip when AFTV are discussing Tielemans, and they are all agreeing he is better than Xhaka...then Lee says he's better than Partey too.

They all start having a go at him, and he tells them all to shut up or something...legend

You got a link?

 

[Riou]

You got a link?

...he was also running about with a megaphone in the hotel when they were in America, waking everyone up.

 

[ItaBic]

You'd ideally want them both up around .75 per game in a couple of years, then we can start to really think about winning things.

i'm agree i think we are on the right way for it

 

[Hunta]

@Hunta headed straight to the top I’m afraid

Hugo boss polo.

Judges raking it in.

 

[Sanchez11]

Iv said since he came hes the best talent we have. I reckon my boy will go all the way to the top. His passing and vision is improving massively.

 

[Batman]

Okay maybe it's unfair to say they have no chance, but I'm of the school of thought that players have ceilings. (I.e. an upper potential).

By the time you're about 18, I think a player's upper ceiling is set by their core traits and tendencies. Then the rest of the career is about mastering them and maybe developing a few new traits. But by and large traits are set in by 18ish.

Look at Messi- he was beating players at the age of 13 and he's done that all his career. Look at Fabregas, he had exceptional passing when he burst onto the Arsenal scene at age 16 and that's what his career was about - exceptional passing. He never really became a shooter or someone who could head the ball. So he had a ceiling when it came to shooting and heading.

Similarly, Alexis had the traits to become elite (such as dribbling and ability to beat the man), so he eventually exploited that at arsenal.

I just don't see someone like Saka having elite traits that will allow him to eventually be elite. I think he will just end up as a very very good player.

For example, Saka rarely can whip in a ball from the byline like a tent Arnold does. He passes it back to the center of the pitch to the midfielder and that means the attack down the wing has ended. Having said that, he has great ability to be in the box and a lot of his goals come from inside the box.

He'll be a great player. Just not Alexis levels I think. I just don't see the traits there.

Final example - van perspective was already showing ability to do the unexpected at a v young age. He honed that and became an elite shooter of the ball. Remember those Big crosses where he would volley into the net.

I don't see that elite trait in Saka. if anything I think Martinelli may have it. He may have a higher ceiling than Saka as he is so driven to beat his man. He just needs better end output

WTF are you talking about? Saka beats players regularly and is double teamed by elite sides like City and Liverpool because he's so dangerous 1v1. Just a load of nonsense above. Dear me.

 

[DJ_Markstar]

Okay maybe it's unfair to say they have no chance, but I'm of the school of thought that players have ceilings. (I.e. an upper potential).

By the time you're about 18, I think a player's upper ceiling is set by their core traits and tendencies. Then the rest of the career is about mastering them and maybe developing a few new traits. But by and large traits are set in by 18ish.

Look at Messi- he was beating players at the age of 13 and he's done that all his career. Look at Fabregas, he had exceptional passing when he burst onto the Arsenal scene at age 16 and that's what his career was about - exceptional passing. He never really became a shooter or someone who could head the ball. So he had a ceiling when it came to shooting and heading.

Similarly, Alexis had the traits to become elite (such as dribbling and ability to beat the man), so he eventually exploited that at arsenal.

I just don't see someone like Saka having elite traits that will allow him to eventually be elite. I think he will just end up as a very very good player.

For example, Saka rarely can whip in a ball from the byline like a tent Arnold does. He passes it back to the center of the pitch to the midfielder and that means the attack down the wing has ended. Having said that, he has great ability to be in the box and a lot of his goals come from inside the box.

He'll be a great player. Just not Alexis levels I think. I just don't see the traits there.

Final example - van perspective was already showing ability to do the unexpected at a v young age. He honed that and became an elite shooter of the ball. Remember those Big crosses where he would volley into the net.

I don't see that elite trait in Saka. if anything I think Martinelli may have it. He may have a higher ceiling than Saka as he is so driven to beat his man. He just needs better end output

I distinctly remember Fabregas's development from 16 when he was more or less just an orchestrator with great passing ability and engine, to 19-21 when he added power and dynamism to his game, he could suddenly drive into gaps and open up new passing angles, added a whole new dimension to his play, he went up a few levels at that point.

Saka's overall game is very mature for his age and Martinelli's seems more raw to me, but that might be down to game time or a host of other factors. I think they're both potentially world class but not there yet, and won't likely be for 1-2 years even at best.

 

[bakaboo]

Martnelli is a direct player, relying on his very quick 1st step to get pass players. All his moves to dribble over opponents is based on his very quick acceleration from standstill. Once he get an opening, he is not afraid to shoot. Future world class?? still a long way. But his attitude and work antics is world class not doubt. Actually, he can try modelled his style with Arjen Robben . Simple and effective.