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Fortuna 3-0 up at HT against Hertha.
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luigicalzone
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Three goals within 11 minutes for Hertha - 3:3
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Wow! Just crazy.
PoleInGoal
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Dusseldorf really doing their best to shoot themselves in the foot. Completely unacceptable to draw after being 3-0 up, really pissed me off. On the plus side seeing some of the fan reactions in the stadium was a bit funny.
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0:4 for Bayern against Hoffenheim after 35 minutes 
There is no chance someone will stop them and even without Lewandowski today.
There is no chance someone will stop them and even without Lewandowski today.
Bayern starting to look like they can win CL.
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Bayern, Dortmund and Mainz up at HT. All the others draw.
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Bayern fans hold up a banner against Dietmar Hopp two times. Game was interrupted. Now the teams are in the middle and playing around with each other. Weird scenes...
luigicalzone
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And now doing like a lap of honor together in the 87'...
Never seen this before
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Bayern, Dortmund, Gladbach and Mainz win. 4-horse race for the title.
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Wouldn't rule out Leverkusen yet, especially if they beat Leipzig tomorrow.
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Schalke's great season has gone **** in the last 2 weeks. Lost to Cologne as well.
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Union Berlin 2-2 FT against Wolfsburg.
Leipzig drawing Leverkusen atm.
Leipzig drawing Leverkusen atm.
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1-1 FT. Bayern say thanks.
It's actually 1) an interesting case and b) a bit pathetic.
There's a good chunk of context in the attacks on Hopp, namely his involvement with the league, his influence, 50+1 stuff, plans of a super league etc. Ultras attacked him for that. And while this is needed and justified the way they worded their criticism is obviously absolutely damnable in itself. If you want I can go more into this context but will leave it at that right now.
And it's pathetic because just a few weeks ago e.g. Torunarigha was racially abused on the field, in tears and got a red card for showing his emotions. No big words from DFL, DFB, club officials, etc. Things like racial, anti-female or homophobic abuse are dealt with by shooting a cliched TV ad and cliche statements while no action is actually taken. There's been a Twitter movement regarding groping females in the stadium - nothing. In the history of German football starting in the 2000s Ultra groups have done **** tone more than any official or organisation to combat racism and right wing movement in stadiums. Recent examples of this are e.g. in the Salzburg - Frankfurt game, when Austrian fans broke the moment of silence for victims of a racial terrorist attack in Germany, and Frankfurt Ultras began chanting "Nazis out!". Now suddenly one of their own - an influential millionaire - is attacked, and of course the words are damnable, but beyond words nothing happened, and league and club officials are in hysteria mode. When Dietmar Hopp is attacked via a poster those responsible should go to jail, their houses should be raided etc. (words of Rummenigge and Hopp's lawyer), yet when Torunarigha is racially abused one can do nothing. Absolutely pathetic. And this includes the players. They protest this game because of Hopp, yet they never did a similar thing when there were monkey chants or similar.
Maybe today some more insight into the current fan protests in Germany because it basically amounts to a "culture war" about the future of football between fans and officials in which Dietmar Hopp is not the target per se, but a placeholder for what fans are angry about.
Hopp was targeted by fans in Dortmund, Cologne, Berlin (Union), Dresden, Meppen and Hoffenheim (by Bayern fans), Hannover. This isn't just a few fans of one club, but a broader movement almost. The fact most media outlets, club, league and association officials failed to grasp or even outright decided to omit, is the actual reason behind the current protests: Dortmund fans have collectively been banned from attending games in Hoffenheim after they had raised a protest banner against Hopp last weekend. A protest that is as old as Hoffenheim and Leipzig: A billionaire pushes a club from a village with 3000 residents into the 1. Bundesliga, pushing bigger, traditional but less financially strong clubs aside. The Red Bull franchise is an even more perverse construct. Just to remind you: RB Leipzig isn't even a real club. They have (iirc) 5 or 7 members, the smallest number to get "club status"; you cannot get a membership. And there's far more.
But back to the current situation. So let that sink in: Until 2022 all Dortmund fans are banned from attending their team's games in Hoffenheim, because some of them raised a banner which voiced legitimate criticism about the ongoing commercialisation and financial doping in an of course damnable way. The protests of this weekend are mostly against these unreasonable collective punishments which DFL and DFB had actually banned years ago. Now they're back and fans are angry. An important detail here is that Hopp's company SAP isn't just the financial sugardaddy of TSG Hoffenheim, but a premium partner and sponsor of DFB and Bundesliga, and in that role Hopp has quite some weight and apparently pulled some string to make the ban happen.
Obiviously more anger towards Hopp followed and along came the pathetic outcry of sports officials. Hopp's lawyer went on TV Sunday night and said fans' homes should be searched and if they are entangled in such acts they should go to prison. DFL has now said that any game will be stopped if Hopp is somehow mentioned in banners or songs with the reasoning behind it being the nature of the words used: Son of a *****. Now this is a peculiar thing. Timo Werner has been targetted by opposition fans for years with the slogan "Timo Werner is the son of a *****". This went so far that a German Mallorca Ballermann musician produced a party hit named "Imo Erner ist kein Uhrensohn": Imo Erner is not the son of a clock. Which phonetically is the basically the same, and in public quickly became "Timo Werner ist ein Hurensohn" again and this guy absolutely banked on that. Well, did the DFL do anything against these public and consistent attacks on the player? No. But now that one of their own has to "suffer" amidst the general criticism of fans, the word is unspeakable and a whole fandom has to be banned from a certain stadium.
What's even more laughable is if you compare the stance towards this case, and what happened with Torunarigha. Referees are now to break off games when Hopp is criticized, but not when a player is obviously racially abused. DFB and DFL are not finally taking a stand against general abuse of all sorts in stadiums, they are protecting one of their golden boys and it's starting to feel like they are trying to ban even legitimate criticism from stadiums. And this is essentially what this is all about.
On one side there's the fans, especially Ultras, who are concerned about commercialisation, financial doping and basically what's nothing else but sanitation of fan culture from critical voices and inconvenient noise on the way to shaping football into a sterile entertainment product for the well situated. On the other side there's the leagues, the association and the clubs - especially the big, rich clubs - who see the potential to make even more money out of football if it is changed into an entertainment product like the Super Bowl or a Taylor Swift concert while draining it of its emotional core but making it more appealing to bigger, average, masses who are into events and entertainment but not football - basically those who spend. The DFB has actually been pushing this agenda nonstop and very succesfully via games of the German National Team, which have become very, very close to emotionless, Saturday night entertainment events.
Hopp was targeted by fans in Dortmund, Cologne, Berlin (Union), Dresden, Meppen and Hoffenheim (by Bayern fans), Hannover. This isn't just a few fans of one club, but a broader movement almost. The fact most media outlets, club, league and association officials failed to grasp or even outright decided to omit, is the actual reason behind the current protests: Dortmund fans have collectively been banned from attending games in Hoffenheim after they had raised a protest banner against Hopp last weekend. A protest that is as old as Hoffenheim and Leipzig: A billionaire pushes a club from a village with 3000 residents into the 1. Bundesliga, pushing bigger, traditional but less financially strong clubs aside. The Red Bull franchise is an even more perverse construct. Just to remind you: RB Leipzig isn't even a real club. They have (iirc) 5 or 7 members, the smallest number to get "club status"; you cannot get a membership. And there's far more.
But back to the current situation. So let that sink in: Until 2022 all Dortmund fans are banned from attending their team's games in Hoffenheim, because some of them raised a banner which voiced legitimate criticism about the ongoing commercialisation and financial doping in an of course damnable way. The protests of this weekend are mostly against these unreasonable collective punishments which DFL and DFB had actually banned years ago. Now they're back and fans are angry. An important detail here is that Hopp's company SAP isn't just the financial sugardaddy of TSG Hoffenheim, but a premium partner and sponsor of DFB and Bundesliga, and in that role Hopp has quite some weight and apparently pulled some string to make the ban happen.
Obiviously more anger towards Hopp followed and along came the pathetic outcry of sports officials. Hopp's lawyer went on TV Sunday night and said fans' homes should be searched and if they are entangled in such acts they should go to prison. DFL has now said that any game will be stopped if Hopp is somehow mentioned in banners or songs with the reasoning behind it being the nature of the words used: Son of a *****. Now this is a peculiar thing. Timo Werner has been targetted by opposition fans for years with the slogan "Timo Werner is the son of a *****". This went so far that a German Mallorca Ballermann musician produced a party hit named "Imo Erner ist kein Uhrensohn": Imo Erner is not the son of a clock. Which phonetically is the basically the same, and in public quickly became "Timo Werner ist ein Hurensohn" again and this guy absolutely banked on that. Well, did the DFL do anything against these public and consistent attacks on the player? No. But now that one of their own has to "suffer" amidst the general criticism of fans, the word is unspeakable and a whole fandom has to be banned from a certain stadium.
What's even more laughable is if you compare the stance towards this case, and what happened with Torunarigha. Referees are now to break off games when Hopp is criticized, but not when a player is obviously racially abused. DFB and DFL are not finally taking a stand against general abuse of all sorts in stadiums, they are protecting one of their golden boys and it's starting to feel like they are trying to ban even legitimate criticism from stadiums. And this is essentially what this is all about.
On one side there's the fans, especially Ultras, who are concerned about commercialisation, financial doping and basically what's nothing else but sanitation of fan culture from critical voices and inconvenient noise on the way to shaping football into a sterile entertainment product for the well situated. On the other side there's the leagues, the association and the clubs - especially the big, rich clubs - who see the potential to make even more money out of football if it is changed into an entertainment product like the Super Bowl or a Taylor Swift concert while draining it of its emotional core but making it more appealing to bigger, average, masses who are into events and entertainment but not football - basically those who spend. The DFB has actually been pushing this agenda nonstop and very succesfully via games of the German National Team, which have become very, very close to emotionless, Saturday night entertainment events.
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Schalke-Bayern for the DFB Pokal today.
NieThePiet
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Saarbrücken (4th league!) eliminates Fortuna Düsseldorf and is in the semi-final in the DFB-Pokal.
Probably all their costs for a year covered with this money. Crazy.
Probably all their costs for a year covered with this money. Crazy.
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Meanwhile, Saarbrucken (non-League team) have beaten Dusseldorf on penalties and qualified to the semifinals.
