Tosker
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agreed - though Ramsey is a difficult one - just when you've given up on him he'll pull a really good performance out of the bag
he needs at the very least to be on a yellow card
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Jack Wilshere: Where to now?
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agreed - though Ramsey is a difficult one - just when you've given up on him he'll pull a really good performance out of the bag
he needs at the very least to be on a yellow card
AVENTUS
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Get rid
samshere
Why so serieuse?
He has a place here if he wants it. We'll have enough games for two squads of eleven if we contend in the EL. We could keep Wilshere exclusively for EL games if his fitness requires him to play lesser matches. In fact, we've got a lot of average/young squaddies - Gibbs, Walcott, Iwobi, Elneny, Coquelin all of whom can play in the EL along with the youth.
Country: England
I love Jack but he's probably going to be the reason we don't sign a starting quality CM.
That is frustrating.
That is frustrating.
I'm still undecided about the wisdom of going to Bournemouth and it did take him 10 games to get fit. I think it was matchday 12 before he got any wow reviews. With Santi now out for 5 months, he's moved up the pecking order but his game is different to Xhaka and Özil's. We need both to avoid one being completely marked out if the game. JW will need to change his game. I'd still prefer a new CM.
I think Santi's injury could open up a door for Jack.
Right now Ramsey and Xhaka are clearly our starting midfielders. When we play with a back-three we now keep an extra defender in the middle and this allows Ramsey to attack and Xhaka to dictate the play from deep.
Next season we make keep with the 3-4-3 exclusively, but I hope that we don't. When we played 4-2-3-1 with Santi and Coq we had a two person midfield shield that worked well. This duo required two midfielders to protect the defense and also transition the ball from defense to attack. Coq is horrible at this, but Santi is exceptional at it, so the pairing worked.
However, Xhaka and Coq did not work well because neither can dribble their way out of tight places. Xhaka is a passer and Coquelin just tackles, and this made it hard for us to relieve the pressure.
Jack is the closest thing to a Santi replacement that you're going to find. He's clearly not two-footed, but he can dribble his way out of trouble and can contribute defensively.
With a back-four, Jack could be a great partner for Xhaka or Coquelin.
However, everything with Jack depends on his health. If he's healthy I think he could be good asset for the team. A midfield four of Xhaka, Ramsey, Wilshere and Coquelin is pretty good. All of them are about the same age, bring something different, and will allow us to play various formations.
Right now Ramsey and Xhaka are clearly our starting midfielders. When we play with a back-three we now keep an extra defender in the middle and this allows Ramsey to attack and Xhaka to dictate the play from deep.
Next season we make keep with the 3-4-3 exclusively, but I hope that we don't. When we played 4-2-3-1 with Santi and Coq we had a two person midfield shield that worked well. This duo required two midfielders to protect the defense and also transition the ball from defense to attack. Coq is horrible at this, but Santi is exceptional at it, so the pairing worked.
However, Xhaka and Coq did not work well because neither can dribble their way out of tight places. Xhaka is a passer and Coquelin just tackles, and this made it hard for us to relieve the pressure.
Jack is the closest thing to a Santi replacement that you're going to find. He's clearly not two-footed, but he can dribble his way out of trouble and can contribute defensively.
With a back-four, Jack could be a great partner for Xhaka or Coquelin.
However, everything with Jack depends on his health. If he's healthy I think he could be good asset for the team. A midfield four of Xhaka, Ramsey, Wilshere and Coquelin is pretty good. All of them are about the same age, bring something different, and will allow us to play various formations.
Country: Scotland
The biggest inhibitor for Jack Wilshere is Jack Wilshere. He almost almost went a full season without injury. And even that was with one game per week and by all accounts a tailor made training schedule. We should not offer him both therefore the end result is offload and rebuild with a player capable of playing regularly and doing regular training.
Next year it's the world cup.. You know how much Wilshere loves England and he'll be desperate to play for the National team. If we can't promise him a starting place(and we shouldn't) then I unfortunately can see him wanting to leave. Hopefully he decides to stay, with a point to prove.
SiMamu
Part time Leeds fan
Last night, I'm not afraid to admit, I got a little bit emotional thinking about the tragedy that is Jack Wilshere's career. So apt a tragic hero he wouldn't look out of place in something by Byron or Shelley.
Wilshere will never be the player he should be - and by that, I mean the best midfielder in the world. It's too late for him to reach that level now. But he can still be a top midfielder, at least reaching Cazorla's level, even if he'll sadly never grace Fabregas' now. Whether or not Wilshere can achieve that here I am dubious.
One of the things that truly saddens me, as well as deeply angering me, is the way that most of England sit on the edge of their seats, wishing failure upon Wilshere, purely for the meme potential. How can a country want their most technically gifted player since Gascoigne to fail so miserably? Surely the country should be crossing every body part they have that Wilshere will finally catch a break, given how gifted Wilshere is. Now whenever he plays he is burdened with knowing that everyone is waiting for him to fall again so they can mock him for it. It's sickening. I don't think Wilshere's truly recovered from Euro 2016, both mentally and physically. Drinkwater and Noble are good players, but they don't have that X-Factor Wilshere possesses. A month more of game time before the tournament and Wilshere could've made a difference Noble and Drinkwater could never make. Selecting Wilshere was a gamble that sadly didn't pay off, but ignorance and the desire to mock Wilshere throughout the country blind the foolish to comprehending why Hodgson took a risk and brought his most technically gifted player to France.
I'm delighted Pep has managed to save Sterling this season, as he too was another the English got their jollies out of viewing him struggle. But I don't think Wenger can save Wilshere - he's already trying to save himself and his own reputation, let alone Wilshere's too. I don't think anyone in England can pull Wilshere out of the darkness. Ernesto: Thiago and Verratti are out of your price range, and Herrera is ****ing Herrera - enough of that nonsense, please. Take Wilshere away from the Paddy McNairs of the Premier League and you know he can flourish in La Liga and at Barcelona.
Wilshere will never be the player he should be - and by that, I mean the best midfielder in the world. It's too late for him to reach that level now. But he can still be a top midfielder, at least reaching Cazorla's level, even if he'll sadly never grace Fabregas' now. Whether or not Wilshere can achieve that here I am dubious.
One of the things that truly saddens me, as well as deeply angering me, is the way that most of England sit on the edge of their seats, wishing failure upon Wilshere, purely for the meme potential. How can a country want their most technically gifted player since Gascoigne to fail so miserably? Surely the country should be crossing every body part they have that Wilshere will finally catch a break, given how gifted Wilshere is. Now whenever he plays he is burdened with knowing that everyone is waiting for him to fall again so they can mock him for it. It's sickening. I don't think Wilshere's truly recovered from Euro 2016, both mentally and physically. Drinkwater and Noble are good players, but they don't have that X-Factor Wilshere possesses. A month more of game time before the tournament and Wilshere could've made a difference Noble and Drinkwater could never make. Selecting Wilshere was a gamble that sadly didn't pay off, but ignorance and the desire to mock Wilshere throughout the country blind the foolish to comprehending why Hodgson took a risk and brought his most technically gifted player to France.
I'm delighted Pep has managed to save Sterling this season, as he too was another the English got their jollies out of viewing him struggle. But I don't think Wenger can save Wilshere - he's already trying to save himself and his own reputation, let alone Wilshere's too. I don't think anyone in England can pull Wilshere out of the darkness. Ernesto: Thiago and Verratti are out of your price range, and Herrera is ****ing Herrera - enough of that nonsense, please. Take Wilshere away from the Paddy McNairs of the Premier League and you know he can flourish in La Liga and at Barcelona.
Mark Tobias
Mr. Agreeable
And I was thinking you'd left this forum. Or at least stopped posting for a while. Can't disagree. Jack is touchy one for us Gunners. We all so desperately want him to do well but he just can't seem to catch a break.
SiMamu
Part time Leeds fan
I've just been quite busy with uni stuff recently, thought I'd return with some real food for thought. And you're completely right - I want so desperately for Wilshere to finally get a good run together and start to announce himself again as the top player he truly is.
Country: England
It's going to be anothere season of not signing a top CM to give Jack a chance.
I like Jack, I like him a lot but I'm not pleased. Injury prone players like him have always been a weakness of Wengers. His development is sad because we all know he should be up there with Thiago and Veratti as the best young CM's in the world.
Those three have always struck me as footballing triplets, similar build and incredible technical ability yet they all had their own unique and graceful way of playing central midfield. Jack was the most exciting for me and it's a shame that he's the only one who hasn't joined his 'brothers'.
I like Jack, I like him a lot but I'm not pleased. Injury prone players like him have always been a weakness of Wengers. His development is sad because we all know he should be up there with Thiago and Veratti as the best young CM's in the world.
Those three have always struck me as footballing triplets, similar build and incredible technical ability yet they all had their own unique and graceful way of playing central midfield. Jack was the most exciting for me and it's a shame that he's the only one who hasn't joined his 'brothers'.
Country: Iceland
Think his decision to go on loan cost him. Should have been patient with us and build his form slowly here.
{reed}
Poundland GDeep
No way we're going to rely on Wilshere & Cazorla. No f*cking way.
BIoodBrother
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Why didn't he keep a starting position when he was fit under a positively thinking manager like Eddie Howe, I wonder? At f****** Bournemouth?
Afobe starting ahead of him? Surman? Arter? Surely a player like Wilshere shoul've made a bigger difference. Or is he just not that good? He has a beautiful technique, but his decisionmaking has always been horrible. He played too many games as if we were in Kindergarten. The result was my favourite goal in the game, but no more than 3 assists per season. Sadly a beachsoccerplayer me thinks now.
BTW I love him. Saw him at the emirates vs Rangers, left the place in thinking we had a 16yr old Zidane... Bough my shirt with his name on it just 18months ago. Wont forget him but he aint got the brain or that clutch mentality needed in the PL
Afobe starting ahead of him? Surman? Arter? Surely a player like Wilshere shoul've made a bigger difference. Or is he just not that good? He has a beautiful technique, but his decisionmaking has always been horrible. He played too many games as if we were in Kindergarten. The result was my favourite goal in the game, but no more than 3 assists per season. Sadly a beachsoccerplayer me thinks now.
BTW I love him. Saw him at the emirates vs Rangers, left the place in thinking we had a 16yr old Zidane... Bough my shirt with his name on it just 18months ago. Wont forget him but he aint got the brain or that clutch mentality needed in the PL
Country: Canada
Wilsh will be a top midfielder. I hope it's here for us. Looking forward to seeing him in pre season, fitness permitting.
tap-in
Nothing Wrong With Me
Bound to get a groin injury on his honeymoon!
Country: England
He doesn't have anything to do with Arsenal on his twitter. Strange.
Married with two kids at 25. Elite maturity ffs.
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