Mikel Arteta: Aston La Vista To The Title?

[Rasmi]

I will say even though I quite like Arteta and want him to stay and do well I still think he was the wrong appointment, just too risky.

It's taken 2 years or so to get us to the position where we looking on the up. It's not really even his fault, it's the nature of being a novice manager you're going to make mistakes. The well laid plans you've thought out often don't translate to reality.

Even if Arteta does a good job, gets us competitive for titles, maybe wins a few cups along the way, when he leaves no sane person would be saying lets appoint another manager with zero experience because Arteta worked out. If Arteta is successful with us he's a major anomaly, not the norm.

It's was such a risky appointment and I can't even put it down as a clever appointment by the board even if it works out because I don't believe for the most part they're intelligent football minds.

Yeah and because of his two fist seasons, the question of would an experienced manager fixed things quicker will always be there and it’s hard to say he wouldn’t. The funniest thing is he was hired as a complete gamble, and treated like a manager with proven record. That stretch where we had something like 10 games with no wins would have sacked any gamble manager

 

[drippin]

I will say even though I quite like Arteta and want him to stay and do well I still think he was the wrong appointment, just too risky.

It's taken 2 years or so to get us to the position where we are looking on the up ( to whatever degree). It's not really even his fault, it's the nature of being a novice manager you're going to make mistakes. The well laid plans you've thought out often don't translate to reality. Man management is a skill that generally has to be honed and developed over time. It's not simple dealing with a group of guys with different personality profiles.

Even if Arteta does a good job, gets us competitive for titles, maybe wins a few cups along the way, when he leaves no sane person would be saying lets appoint another manager with zero experience because Arteta worked out. If Arteta is successful with us he's a major anomaly, not the norm.

It's was such a risky appointment and I can't even put it down as a clever appointment by the board even if it works out because I don't believe for the most part they're intelligent football minds.

What were our options?

I remember people wanting Mourinho ffs.

 

[Tir Na Nog]

Next 5 games are massive for the Arteta outers vs inners on here.

Get top 4, and in 3 years he's won a trophy, got Arsenal back into the CL and built one of the youngest and most exciting squads around.

Fail to finish in the top 4 and he's been here for 3 years, spent over 200m, come 8th twice and returned Arsenal to the competition we were in when he initially took over.

Feels like the last few years of AM has been building up to this...

It's been nice fighting with you comrades @Makingtrax @jones @Macho @Trilly @Rasmi

 

[Blood on the Tracks]

What were our options?

I remember people wanting Mourinho ffs.

I was on the Ancelotti bandwagon.
Howe was my second choice.

Arteta was cone boy to me back then

 

[GDeep™]

I was on the Ancelotti bandwagon.
Howe was my second choice.

Arteta was cone boy to me back then

Not surprised you were on the Carlo bandwagon. Totally washed up.

Nice to see you not post an essay for once too.

 

[drippin]

Next 5 games are massive for the Arteta outers vs inners on here.

Get top 4, and in 3 years he's won a trophy, got Arsenal back into the CL and built one of the youngest and most exciting squads around.

Fail to finish in the top 4 and he's been here for 3 years, spent over 200m, come 8th twice and returned Arsenal to the competition we were in when he initially took over.

Feels like the last few years of AM has been building up to this...

If we finish 5th getting UEL, this forum will be unbearable with people complaining how the management doesn't sack Arteta, because their own expectations got higher while the season progressed and Arteta overachieved.

They will be soooo shocked how they extend Arteta in this scenario, and we will not hear the end of it.

 

[GDeep™]

If we finish 5th getting UEL, this forum will be unbearable with people complaining how the management doesn't sack Arteta, because their own expectations got higher while the season progressed and Arteta overachieved.

They will be soooo shocked how they extend Arteta in this scenario, and we will not hear the end of it.

I predicted we’ll finish 5th and push for 4th as Utd still had Ole, I’m sure you’ll find my vote in the poll we had, and it’s worked out exactly as such.

Not getting 4th now with a poor Utd and Sp**s as our only rivals would be a massive underachievement. Surely you re-evaluate your predictions as the season goes on, right now, less than 4th would be a massive car crash.

 

[drippin]

I predicted we’ll finish 5th and push for 4th as Utd still had Ole, I’m sure you’ll find my vote in the poll we had, and it’s worked out exactly as such.

Not getting 4th now with a poor Utd and Sp**s as our only rivals would be a massive underachievement. Surely you re-evaluate your predictions as the season goes on, right now, less than 4th would be a massive car crash.

It is totally expected that Arteta Outers in the polls put higher places so they can complain when it doesn't happen.

Proves absolutely nothing.

 

[GDeep™]

It is expected Arteta Outers in the polls put higher places so they can complain when it doesn't happen.

Proves nothing.

What about my point about re-evaluating your targets and predictions as the season goes on?

You can’t justify us finishing below Sp**s now? That’s surely a massive underachievement given how poor they’ve been.

 

[drippin]

What about my point about re-evaluating your targets and predictions as the season goes on?

You can’t justify us finishing below Sp**s now? That’s surely a massive underachievement given how poor they’ve been.

Sp**s actually hasn't been very poor this season, and they have been lucky with some late goals earlier in the season, and red cards. They are just very up and down in performances.

And no, you don't sack a manager who barely misses UCL when UEL was the expectation, while he has had injuries and xG for example shows that we perform at a top 4 level, and have for almost 1,5 years.

No adjusting expectations, which is more like moving the goal posts.

 

[GDeep™]

Sp**s actually hasn't been very poor this season, and they have been lucky with some late goals earlier in the season, and red cards. They are just very up and down in performances.

And no, you don't sack a manager who barely misses UCL when UEL was the expectation, while he has had injuries and xG for example shows that we perform at a top 4 level, and have for almost 1,5 years.

No adjusting expectations, which is more like moving the goal posts.

I don’t think he should get sacked for a 5th place finish, but given how the season has worked out, you seriously question how we’ve finished behind Sp**s after spending what we did, playing once a week and them having the problems they did.

My prediction was 5th, with us pushing Utd. Even in the summer I didn’t think Sp**s were anything to fear.

A finish below Sp**s is now a failure.

 

[OnlyOne]

I don’t think he should get sacked for a 5th place finish, but given how the season has worked out, you seriously question how we’ve finished behind Sp**s after spending what we did, playing once a week and them having the problems they did.

My prediction was 5th, with us pushing Utd. Even in the summer I didn’t think Sp**s were anything to fear.

A finish below Sp**s is now a failure.

Disagree with a lot of this but understand where you're coming from.

 

[Tir Na Nog]

No idea why people are discussing 5th, there's no way we don't finish top 4 now. Weve got one foot in the CL, we're not bottling it from here.

 

[Blood on the Tracks]

Not surprised you were on the Carlo bandwagon. Totally washed up.

Nice to see you not post an essay for once too.

Thanks.

One of the few times we'll hear you complain about length.

 

[Trilly]

It's been nice fighting with you comrades @Makingtrax @jones @Macho @Trilly @Rasmi

This is it. The moment we’ve lived for. I’m ready to splinter and create a new forum if we don’t get the right outcome.

 

[Trilly]

It depends on how you see things. My stance, which I have stated long time ago, is that I won't be here a lot if things go wrong. This forum is unbearable at that point. It's so pessimistic and full of whining even when things go well.

Besides, it made no sense to have circular arguments with you guys anyway (I don't have the energy or time for it always, shocking isn't it?), when I now have clear proof of what I saw even in those games. That Palace game was not so good, but other games we had good performances especially considering the injuries.

Non-Penalty xG difference was top 4 level even in those losses, some of which were unlucky. Even against Palace it was, which surprised me a bit. For example Forster made many huge saves.

While you were gone I said that Arteta being able to get some results while we have players out is exactly what we need to see from him to show that he can be an Arsenal manager.

I think the two performances have been poor and sprinkled with luck but if by the end of the season he’s in the top four then well done to him.

I think you’ll remember me saying weeks/months ago that finishing in the top four should definitely be acknowledged but not praised. I don’t think it’s that impressive given the context but it’s good.

 

[drippin]

Arteta has got us performing at Wenger levels in xGD average, and that's not the timeframe when he got sacked, but earlier when he performed better.

 

[PressResistance]

No idea why people are discussing 5th, there's no way we don't finish top 4 now. Weve got one foot in the CL, we're not bottling it from here.

Don't you dare.

 

[Hunta]

Sometimes you just have to hold your hands up. If Teta gets top four he’s done a remarkable job, one very few predicted at the start of the season. Still a 50/50 chance but if he gets us CL football anything but a new contract would be poor.

 

[El Duderino]

huh, I was checking the poll and there sure are a lot of mikriders saying he needs to get top 4 to keep his job.

@Blood on the Tracks vote suprised me, tbh.

Seems most of the people who are seen as the Outers either don't want him outright (which is a bit ott, imo), or were fine with the team doing better or getting Europa.

hmmm