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I'm not even interested in net spend mate. It's meaningless.You're the net spend expert. It's a fiiting @.
I'm not even interested in net spend mate. It's meaningless.You're the net spend expert. It's a fiiting @.
It was sarcasm mate. That's what unenlightened fans used shout at Wenger. Good to see you understand though.Looks like you’re going to be a disappointed fan for the next few years if that’s the only thing that’ll make you happy. We haven’t challenged for the title since 2015. I’ll take year over year improvement.
Now I'm sorry, but if Chelsea had so many injuries they wouldn't have won the league that year.
1.We had the most injuries in the league that year, yet we still beat all 4 of the teams that out spent us
2. We beat Leicester home and away, it was the other supposed top 6 sides that capitulated against them and gave them the title.
3. Wenger's tactics produced the side with the best defensive stats and the most clean sheets
4. Wenger's tactics produced one of the highest Xg stats over 38 matches. The team was clearly creating chances but a protracted barren spell from Giroud after Xmas where he failed to convert some fairly easy chances cost us those extra points. That's just football mate.
It was sarcasm mate. That's what unenlightened fans used shout at Wenger.
Stuff about how many points you need to win a league are irrelevant. I presented you with reasons and data in that post. These definitely aren't excuses. The board invested 5th, Wenger finished 2nd. That's value added.Indeed. I argued the same thing back then. And in 10-11 with United. But injuries were an endemic part of Wenger during this period. Articles that have come out after on how deficient Arsenal's training methods were in terms of injury prevention and how there was an extremely lax and bad environment in terms of preparation and injury prevention with the medical staff have come out after to confirm what is obvious if you look at the injuries over a long period of time: there was a systemic problem with injuries under Wenger, something to do with his regime.
1. addressed above
2. typical nonsense used to excuse Wenger this season...we finished on 72 pts. That doesn't win you the title ever, and since truly top managers have come into the league and raised the tactical level up a notch, to where the Premier is now actually the best league in the world--in 2015/16 it was certainly not, la liga was--72 pts doesn't even get you close. It doesn't matter that we got 6 pts against the title winner, we finished on 72 pts and the title winner finished on 81, which is an extremely low total for a title winner in the last 5 years.
3. Cool...the league was poor that season and a top manager would've had us finishing first. The team who finished first or second will always finish first in a number of stats, especially cherry-picked ones like the ones you are doing.
4. See above. Typical of Wenger-cultists who cannot accept his failures with his successes, too quick to excuse failures with empty statements like the bolded.
Depends on the year and the competition. There were times that might've been an "unenlightened" shout, but certainly there were a few years in there from 2010 on where the competition was weak and we should've competed more for the title or won it. A top manager with a real, positive project surely would've won it at least once in that period given the weakness of the opposition and the league pre Guardiola and Klopp.
I think there is currently criticism regarding our attacking play, but I'm not sure how much blame to place at Arteta.
How many players are incisive or try to be?
Gabriel, Tierney, Luiz, Saka. They are the most aggressive passers. Xhaka and Ceballos do it every now and then, but it's mostly sideways and backwards. There is a clamour for Auba to play cf, but so many good runs he makes from the left are completely ignored because the pass is too risky.
Risky because our midfield are terrible running back towards their goal. Does Partey solve this? Partly.
We have to accept that we have technical limitations. Bellerin is not as good a passer as Tierney. He doesn't receive the ball as well either.
It's hard to go for a game when players are simply cautious.
Agree. I've already spent two and half years bored to tears with little hope of a nice surprise.Maybe he's just doing a Jardim. Everyone remembers Jardim's incredible 2016/17 Monaco team when they scored 107 league goals, but they don't mention that his two seasons in charge before that were very conservative and they only scored like 50 league goals. He built up over time, qualified for CL two years in a row and then they broke out.
On the other hand I don't want to spend two seasons being bored out of my mind watching Arsenal.
Yeah but that Monaco team had Mbappe in their academy. Do we even have a player half as good in our academy?Maybe he's just doing a Jardim. Everyone remembers Jardim's incredible 2016/17 Monaco team when they scored 107 league goals, but they don't mention that his two seasons in charge before that were very conservative and they only scored like 50 league goals. He built up over time, qualified for CL two years in a row and then they broke out.
On the other hand I don't want to spend two seasons being bored out of my mind watching Arsenal.
Yeah but that Monaco team had Mbappe in their academy. Do we even have a player half as good in our academy?
It was sarcasm mate. That's what unenlightened fans used shout at Wenger. Good to see you understand though.
You tell me which 'top manager' spending fifth or below in the EPL won the title, since the EPL began. The answer is Ranieri, only, in that fluke year. Why hasn't there been more? And if it's so rare and difficult why are you beating Wenger up about it.
Well, this is a rather facile argument, because what manager spent 15 years at a net spend fifth club wages third-fourth club? Wenger's situation was entirely unique in the premier and in all of football, any other club of that expectations sacks him long before he finishes those 15 years.
When you look around football, and see what Simeone, Klopp, etc. did in developing projects under similar adverse financial circumstances (or much worse, in the case of Simeone), you see what a real top manager can do with a real proper project at a club like this.
Unfortunately Wenger just wasn't that in the last 5-10 years of his reign. Doesn't take away from the love we should all have for him, the visionary he was in his earlier era here, and the lovely man he is.
Doesn't take away from the love we should all have for him, the visionary he was in his earlier era here, and the lovely man he is.
yeah...crap manager...has been...no use to the club...not a legend..helped destroy arsenal...correct. Wenger is gone.... **** all you want on him.... dont hold back.
I come here to bury Caesar not to damn him with faint praise.
It’s common for young managers to feel they need to prove they are tough and make drastic decisions. Lampard with rudiguer is perfect example. Young managers tend to clash with experienced players with strong personalities and prefer younger players. If arteta has 10 years experience he would have handled it differentlyArteta placing himself in the firing line regarding the Özil situation is something which fills me with confidence. He must be confident in his own ability to do well and make the fans happy in the future if he’s so willing to face the wrath of sections of the fanbase in the short term, as a result of it all. I’ve no concerns.