After this summer window, where it looks likely we will be spending over 100m net again, Arteta's NET spend over 3 years will be over 300m! We should be expecting a serious title challenge let alone bloody top 4.
After Covid problems and no European income, how can we possibly be out investing City. Where's the money coming from?After this summer window, where it looks likely we will be spending over 100m net again, Arteta's NET spend over 3 years will be over 300m! We should be expecting a serious title challenge let alone bloody top 4.
After Covid problems and no European income, how can we possibly be out investing City. Where's the money coming from?
After this summer window, where it looks likely we will be spending over 100m net again, Arteta's NET spend over 3 years will be over 300m! We should be expecting a serious title challenge let alone bloody top 4.
Wenger finished 6th in his last season and Emery finished 5th and got us to a final. That's stability and slight improvement despite the flaws.
The man has made his fanbase accept finishing 8th twice as a necessary evil in his master plan. Spent a quarter billion pounds & missed out on the CL.
If he stays here for the length of his contract, he'll easily pass the half billion threshold & the team will still lose to championship level teams in the FA Cup.
TLDR Arteta took over a mid table team full of pensioners and bums and where we finished in prior seasons is not reflective of what that squad was capable of. Taking us to 5th is an achievement and fixing the defense and midfield is an achievement.
Where are the statistics that show Arteta has reversed any decline? what a load of crap.On what basis do you disagree? The decline during late-era Wenger into Em*ry is very well documented and easy to demonstrate statistically, and a reverse in that decline since Arteta arrived is also easy to document.
Whether Arteta is doing a good enough job is a big question, but whether he has stopped the decline and left the club better than where he picked it up is certainly an easy question to answer and rather irrefutable.
re: the question of if this is our first year of the rebuild or the concept of the rebuild started this year, meh, I'd have more qualms with that statement, though it could be said that this is the first year that the rebuild has occurred in earnest, though that does not alleviate potential blame for Arteta (because he has chosen to operate in this fashion, and it has always been about striking a balance between stopping the rot and making a true rebuild of the club for an interesting project with potential, and certainly we can debate about how well he has struck that balance or not...and in short, the rebuild starting this year as the poster says doesn't really mean anything, it's a rather arbitrary statement which doesn't really bring much to the conversation for me).
Emery wasn't the low point of the decline, Arteta hit that point in the first half of last season. You look at the stats in that period and they were relegation level. I don't understand how you can believe what you are saying.1) Have no idea how you can make a good, or convincing argument for this, tbh.
2) How does that make any sense, given the data I present above? Really a quite confusing statement, tbh.
What's really telling for me is that all of the people pushing the anti-Arteta agenda magically airbrush Em*ry's 19-20 performance or the actual state of the club when Arteta picked it up was (which is of course, directly related to Em*ry's 19-20 performance). It's really, really quite baffling to me, and amazing that people can feel comfortable completely comfortable removing such massively relevant and signficant inputs from the argument, and feeling that their argument is still coherent.
To me, like I say, it's really quite telling, and can tell you a good deal about who is a serious poster, who is someone really considering the facts and the argument, and who is just looking to confirm their biases and pre-conceived feelings.
Anyways, typical of my arguments in these threads, I started mentioning a major concern about Arteta (how we can be dominated so roundly by lower sides like Palace, Brighton, or Newcastle in full halves), to offering counter-arguments to radical arguments that are rather hard to accept or give any reasonable support. Which is typically what happens. It is hard to have any kind of interesting discussion when it is foam at the mouth times in this thread, or really even in the best of times.
Is this your way of saying you won’t be coming back?
I know @drippin runs away when things get bad and @SA Gunner took a hiatus. However I always respected the fact that you stayed and fought.
TLDR: Arteta hasn’t fixed our defence, we lost 13 games. He’s finished an average of 7th in 3 seasons and Conte took Sp**s back to CL in his first. And Arteta zealots can only justify our very poor performances in the last 3 seasons by rubbishing our previous 2 managers to pretend he’s had a lot of clearing up to do. Lol.TLDR Arteta took over a mid table team full of pensioners and bums and where we finished in prior seasons is not reflective of what that squad was capable of. Taking us to 5th is an achievement and fixing the defense and midfield is an achievement.
Yeah we need the xg equivalent for culture and expected lateness essentially.You see, it's quite simple: Arteta has improved us in the "dimensions" that are not quantifiable. Progress in which, naturally, completely offsets the problems in areas that can be objectively measured (points, goals scored, goals against etc.).
Don’t forget he’s been held back by all the ‘bums and pensioners’ from previous squad mismanagement.Yeah we need the xg equivalent for culture and expected lateness essentially.
Very clever to announce new contract before we go on lose another 3 in a row. Don't think they would have had the balls to do it end of season.