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Mikel Arteta: Taking The Mik

Discussion in 'Arsenal Talk' started by OnlyOne, Dec 20, 2019.

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Do you believe Arteta will turn it around?

  1. Yes, I still have 100% faith in him

    11.5%
  2. Yes, but my confidence in him has decreased this season

    24.4%
  3. No, he should go imminently

    39.1%
  4. No, but he should stay on until his position becomes untenable

    16.0%
  5. Give him the rest of the season no matter what

    9.0%
  1. kash2

    kash2 Obsessed With Jury

    what kind of dumb argument is this based on a points total of 79 and and 75 4 yrs later. These were the years without a real top striker. We had become a second tier club unable to buy top quality forwards.

    the referees were giving penalties for free to leceister and they had a billionaire owner who was putting in money from his pocket. Still our so-called fans seem to only see the fault in Wenger. Dumb.
     
  2. HairSprayGooners

    HairSprayGooners Al Jazeera Correspondent

    "These were the years without a real top striker"

    Failed attempt at Vardy, abysmally stupid offer for Suarez, spending £120M on Xhaka, Mustafi and Lacazette. Its not just Wengers fault for not getting us a striker, its the clubs fault as a whole. But Wenger wasted so much money considering he was in charge of almost everything on that front. You cannot sit there and tell me we couldn't get someone outside of Higuain, Benzema, Suarez etc that would've actually joined and won us the title.

    Now you're saying that the reason why we finished TEN POINTS behind Leicester in that season is because the ref's gave Leicester penalties :lol::lol::lol: ffs man.

    We had a poor season, we finished 2nd because Sp**s bottled it as well, lets not forget that. We completely failed that season, it was embarrassing.
     
  3. Makingtrax

    Makingtrax Planes, Trains & Social Media Rants

    You said 4 year’s regression spending £400m. I showed you we hadn’t regressed on our table position or spent £400m, and in addition showed you how much more other clubs had spent.

    Now you’ve switched to points total and that doesn’t show regression either. :lol::lol: This is the Arteta thread, it’s time to pack in your nonsense.
     
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  4. HairSprayGooners

    HairSprayGooners Al Jazeera Correspondent

    From 2014 to 2016, which is the area in which you admit Wenger wasn't properly getting harassed we went from 79 to 71 points. So to say that doesn't show regression is a bare faced lie. You probably have posters of Wenger on every wall of your basement. You weirdo.

    You cannot just continuously harp on about Wenger and spend and get away with it, somebody arrest him.
     
  5. kash2

    kash2 Obsessed With Jury

    as I said .. dumb.

    How do you compete without a full squad. Leciester had Kante, Mahrez, Vardy so its not like they were pushovers. The premier league was looking to give the illusion that its not a fixed reality show and Leceister were willing to play.

    Arsenal never had a full squad and still dont. We have been trying to pay off debt and run without investment from owners.

    Whatever your point is, no one knows, but spare us the dumb comments based on a less than 5% variation of points over 4 seasons.
     
  6. TakeChillPill

    TakeChillPill Well-Known Member

    This is one the finest backhanded compliments I read in a while lol.
     
  7. Blood on the Tracks

    Blood on the Tracks Well-Known Member

    I didn't mean it as a back handed compliment, though it does read like that :lol:

    A past his best Wenger was still better than most managers around.
     
  8. GDeep™

    GDeep™ Dissociating

    I don’t buy that the game passed Wenger btw, anymore. You watch the PL now and the standards are pretty low. The football is generally poor, teams can’t defend etc.

    Wenger got old, he’s pushing 80. The man got tired and stale, but what really damaged him more than anything was lack of finances.

    We’re finishing 8th without him now, Raul spent the most ever in our history the other summer too.
     
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  9. GDeep™

    GDeep™ Dissociating

    Ole is at Utd, Lampard at Chelsea, Pep at City, all cheque book managers :lol:

    Lampard/Ole won’t get top 8 if they had Arsenal budgets.

    What “game”?
     
  10. HairSprayGooners

    HairSprayGooners Al Jazeera Correspondent

    Without a full squad? What are you on about. We had the money to build a full squad :lol: We've spent close to £700M on footballers since 2014. Are you telling me we couldn't have built a decent enough squad by now with that spend?

    There's no dumb comments, i'm just talking to some thick as a plank spacker.
     
  11. kash2

    kash2 Obsessed With Jury

    ask the owners that. even when we got a good player, they treated us as a stepping stone to go somewhere where they could get more money. It was tough to retain what we had, forget about augmenting.

    Again spare me the dumb arguments. Talk real facts and go troll somewhere else if thats all you want.
     
  12. Riou

    Riou Non-Stop Nostalgia

    The more money we had at the Emirates the worse our team got, we spent £100 million-ish on a team that finished 2nd and dropped down to 5th ffs :lol:

    What Arsène really lacked was a savvy guy like Dein working with him in the end.
     
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  13. Blood on the Tracks

    Blood on the Tracks Well-Known Member

    I'm not sure that the fact we're now finishing 8th is evidence that letting Arsène go was a bad decision though.

    I'd argue the bigger issue is that we didn't get a good replacement for him and the higher up's at the club don't really seem to know what they're doing a lot of the time.
     
  14. kash2

    kash2 Obsessed With Jury

    Arsenal's fortunes are inversely proportional to the control by the Kroenke's over the years. Mikel is literally the hail mary move. We have nothing else left and are just hoping hoping Mikel turns out to be a boy wonder genius.
     
  15. HairSprayGooners

    HairSprayGooners Al Jazeera Correspondent

    I am giving you real facts :lol: Since 2014 we have spent £700M on players. This isn't dumb trolling this is a fact. Also since that point I think only Alexis has "used us" as a stepping stone, and he ultimately left because the team wasn't going anywhere. We allow players to have wages

    If you're going to react to facts by saying its trolling, simply because it doesn't fit your bs agenda, then what is the point?

    Again, I'll ask you the question. Could we not have built a very, very good squad with £700M?
     
  16. HairSprayGooners

    HairSprayGooners Al Jazeera Correspondent

    How can you sit there and say that with the wage bill we have, the amount that individual players earn at the club and also the amount we've spent in the past 6 years? Its honestly baffling.

    The outlay on players and wages is that of a club going for a title.
     
  17. kash2

    kash2 Obsessed With Jury

    stop this PR for kroenke...its gettting nauseating
     
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  18. MikelHadADream

    MikelHadADream Well-Known Member

    Arsenal have the 3rd highest net spend in the last 5 years btw. The argument that we haven't spent enough has no substance anymore. Reality is since we came into a bit of money post 2013, the recruitment has been awful. Maybe the club got complacent in their scouting, who knows.

    Gabriel feels like the first hidden gem we've signed thats gone straight into the starting 11 since Nasri. We used to make signings like that every season.
     
  19. Macho

    Macho Not Here For The Athletic's BS Trusted

    Nasri was always highly rated tbh, certainly wasn't a hidden gem.

    Gabriel hadn't had that much football before Lille I don't think, so he counts as a hidden gem probably.

    Around Nasri times we were one of the few clubs that did it, it was kinda easier back then. Fast forward to today we had to fend off a couple of clubs for Gabriel. I'd say it's harder now.

    You've also forgotten Martinelli.
     
  20. Breezy

    Breezy Well-Known Member

    Nasri wasn’t a hidden gem. Neither was Gabriel for that matter.

    Hidden gems would Martinelli and to a certain extent Guendouzi.
     

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