Theo Walcott: Sold to Everton

[General]

Theo doesn't play a game yet still gets abuse. Tells you all you need to know about this irrational hate campaign.

Theo, Ox, Ramsey, Wilshere, Campbell, Gibbs, Chambers etc none of these careers are going anywhere under Wenger. If they truly care about their careers they'd go elsewhere or at least pray we get a new manager who doesn't play football from the dark ages soon.

 

[Rain Dance]

Theo doesn't play a game yet still gets abuse. Tells you all you need to know about this irrational hate campaign.

well.. Theo, (mostly) Giroud, and everyone else on the team have been under heavy criticism this season.
Irrational, no. Played ****, get fan abuse. That's their job hazard.
Same thing happens when we **** up in our own job.

Wenger though... is fully responsible for the abuse they get. He is the boss and he should take responsibility.

 

[Mastadon]

Theo doesn't play a game yet still gets abuse. Tells you all you need to know about this irrational hate campaign.

Theo, Ox, Ramsey, Wilshere, Campbell, Gibbs, Chambers etc none of these careers are going anywhere under Wenger. If they truly care about their careers they'd go elsewhere or at least pray we get a new manager who doesn't play football from the dark ages soon.

Every one of those players has only themselves to blame if they don't make it here. Not having this blaming Wenger for their failures the only thing you can blame Wenger for is signing them and giving them chances and support they don't deserve.

 

[SuperGoon]

Every one of those players has only themselves to blame if they don't make it here. Not having this blaming Wenger for their failures the only thing you can blame Wenger for is signing them and giving them chances and support they don't deserve.

And the system they play in. Tactics. Mentality. Coaching. Rotation. Substitutes. Strengthening the team. Etc.


But he's responsible for none of that either.

 

[Mastadon]

When Ramsey was scoring goals and being hailed as the best midfielder in the world none of that was a problem. These players have been incredibly overrated and they lack the mentality to become world class which is their own problem. How do you blame Wenger for that?

We have seen so many real world class talents develop at Arsenal under Wenger. This british core is full of overrated pretenders and donkeys. Did you think Walcott had what it took to become Henry or Ramsey had the talent to be the next Fabregas? You can't make a silk purse from a pig's ear.

 

[Mastadon]

Name me one player who failed under Wenger and went on to have a top class career at another club.

 

[Rain Dance]

When Ramsey was scoring goals and being hailed as the best midfielder in the world none of that was a problem. These players have been incredibly overrated and they lack the mentality to become world class which is their own problem. How do you blame Wenger for that?

But it was a problem, we discuss that here lots of time. Tactics, Mentality, Subtitutes etc.

Regarding Ramsey, arrogance breeds complacency. Wenger's job is to weed out complacency before it become a problem.

It is the same in any other job. The higher you are in the work structure, the more responsibility you have.
If a company failed to achieve yearly target, stockholders will ask the CEO for his responsibility about this failure.
So yeah, Wenger is ultimately responsible for his team's failure to perform.

 

[Rain Dance]

Name me one player who failed under Wenger and went on to have a top class career at another club.

Silvinho

 

[MrSplash]

Dont understand the hate for Theo.... Imagine being a multi millionaire getting paid £140k a week and having to wake up in the morning to realise "**** sake got to actually play football"

Its tragic.

 

[Mastadon]

But it was a problem, we discuss that here lots of time. Tactics, Mentality, Subtitutes etc.

Regarding Ramsey, arrogance breeds complacency. Wenger's job is to weed out complacency before it become a problem.

It is the same in any other job. The higher you are in the work structure, the more responsibility you have.
If a company failed to achieve yearly target, stockholders will ask the CEO for his responsibility about this failure.
So yeah, Wenger is ultimately responsible for his team's failure to perform.

I'm talking about Ramsey's performance not the clubs. You're right about Ramsey's arrogance Wenger should have smacked him down and told him he's Ray Parlour with goals not the second coming of Lampard/Gerrard.

Silvinho

I loved Sylvinho as a player was surprised at the time when he lost his place but Cole turned out to be a superior player. Don't think he failed under Wenger he just lost his place to someone who turned out to be the best left back of his generation (post Roberto Carlos/Maldini).

 

[FinnGooner]

Name me one player who failed under Wenger and went on to have a top class career at another club.

Amaury Bischoff. He scored 10 goals and had 12 assists for Preussen Münster in 2012-2013 at 3. liga. The boy was obviously a super talent but Wenger was never able to squeeze the juice out of him

 

[Santi's Left Foot]

I have, complete drivel.

Perhaps you'd like tell us why, point by point. This is a forum afterall.

 

[Mastadon]

Silvinho

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11670/2217946/i-had-to-leave-gunners-silvinho

Name another one.

 

[BobP]

I'd take a peak Eboue on the right wing over Walcott.

 

[Rain Dance]

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11670/2217946/i-had-to-leave-gunners-silvinho

Name another one.

does Inamoto count ? was not gonna make it as Arsenal player, did pretty well elsewhere. And when you think about it, he did much better than Park or Ryo in EPL

van Bronckhorst
Fabianski
Seb Larsson. successful or not ?
Carlos Vela

 

[Santi's Left Foot]

Theo doesn't play a game yet still gets abuse. Tells you all you need to know about this irrational hate campaign.

Unreal isn't it. This thread is a clusterfuck. The title sets the tone of it all really.

 

[General]

Every one of those players has only themselves to blame if they don't make it here. Not having this blaming Wenger for their failures the only thing you can blame Wenger for is signing them and giving them chances and support they don't deserve.

Yawn. See @SuperGoon post.

 

[General]

When Ramsey was scoring goals and being hailed as the best midfielder in the world none of that was a problem. These players have been incredibly overrated and they lack the mentality to become world class which is their own problem. How do you blame Wenger for that?

We have seen so many real world class talents develop at Arsenal under Wenger. This british core is full of overrated pretenders and donkeys. Did you think Walcott had what it took to become Henry or Ramsey had the talent to be the next Fabregas? You can't make a silk purse from a pig's ear.

What's all this garbage about the British core. These players are here on merit and not their passports even if they haven't reached the heights. The biggest underperforming players in the team are not even British. You cannot question a player's mentality and fail to grasp the manager's culpability.

The question about which players have gone on to have successful careers having failed under Wenger is another debate which will probably end up in another merry go round. Steve Sidwell, Pennant, Mathew Upson, Bentley and Gervinho all went on to have better careers than they did here. Players haven't always failed here because they were not good enough. It comes down to many factors, including lack of playing opportunities because better players were ahead of them.

We played our best football this season with Walcott leading the attack. But slowly Wenger has reinstated Giroud back in the starting lineup to his detriment and if it wasn't for Welbeck we would be further down the table.

 

[Rain Dance]

We played our best football this season with Walcott leading the attack. But slowly Wenger has reinstated Giroud back in the starting lineup to his detriment and if it wasn't for Welbeck we would be further down the table.

And Giroud was fine until January, when in UNISON, we agree he is exhausted and it's time to rest him and rotate with anyone else.
Of course, Wenger went on to play him which resulted in his goal drought...

 

[albakos]

We played our best football this season with Walcott leading the attack. But slowly Wenger has reinstated Giroud back in the starting lineup to his detriment and if it wasn't for Welbeck we would be further down the table.

That's one of the myths that is touted by @Santi's Left Foot and I guess you. The stats speak for themselves.

Take the League Cup game at Sheffiled for measure, when Theo was injured and missed only 4 games before returning to play v. Sunderland on Dec 5-th

How many goals did Walcott score during that period (pre-Sheffield) ? 4
How many he scored afterwards ? 5

How many goals did Giroud score until Sheffiled ? 6
How many more he scored since then ? 15

Just so it's clear. I am by no means defending Giroud, who was equally atrocious and his drought caused us massively drop out of the race. But your attempts to relate anything negative to Walcott to the fact that Giroud is somehow culpable for Theo's shocking form is honestly too shallow. Theo can't displace a rookie Iwobi, let alone anyone else from the team.

It was Cazorla's injury that is now seen as the key factor to our wrecked season as he is clearly the brains behind Wenger's tactics and linkup play. It was so obvious at the way he dictated everything when we smashed United to pieces at Emirates.