Usmanov or "Silent" Stan?

[4R5Emaniac]

David Moyes was considered to be delivering success according to resources at Everton. Went to Man Utd, completely blew it and now can't keep a PL team up. Our resources grew and by Wenger's own admission we have been targeting the title. We've failed every time since then whether we have spent huge sums or spent nothing at all which are all his and only his decisions. Not only failed this season we've dropped to our lowest. And there is an overwhelming amount of evidence against Wenger's management to see where the real problem is.

 

[field442]

It's not debatable that he has had a lot more to spend over the years, had a lot more last year, and still has tons more that he won't spend. He's come clean himself on that a number of times. We all know how he operates. It's why he's still in a job.

He has spent £200m in the last three seasons, and that includes one season where he chose to only buy Cech. Wenger has been backed financially for a few years now.

 

[4R5Emaniac]

Fees yes, not wages, hes actually said as much as he couldnt get Kante simply because the 160k a week were beyond what Arsenal were prepared to pay. Everyone in the league can pay fees, the ability to pay the high wages is what seperates us from 3 clubs that are favourites to win things every summer.
There's only one way wed break our wage structure, and its not with the silent one.

The wage structure is his creation and he choses to overpay his favorites hugely whether they perform or not.

 

[BBF]

Can't wait until Silent Kiddy Fiddler moves us to Detroit to form the Detroit Gunners.

 

[AL the gooner]

The wage structure is his creation and he choses to overpay his favorites hugely whether they perform or not.

If he had a competent boss, he wouldnt be allowed to set the wage structure.

 

[4R5Emaniac]

If he had a competent boss, he wouldnt be allowed to set the wage structure.

If he had a competent boss he'd be sacked long ago.

We just need structural changes and a new manager. Most of Arsenal is grand.

 

[GDeep™]

The wage structure is his creation and he choses to overpay his favorites hugely whether they perform or not.

Got a source for this? Just interested ad people mention it a lot.

I thought it was a joint venture by all involved in the club.

Source me please.

 

[AL the gooner]

If he had a competent boss he'd be sacked long ago.

We just need structural changes and a new manager. Most of Arsenal is grand.

Thats why Kroenke has to go, while hes there, Wenger runs the club. Kroenke makes profit. Everyone is happy, apart from the fans who are getting fleeced

 

[field442]

Got a source for this? Just interested ad people mention it a lot.

I thought it was a joint venture by all involved in the club.

Source me please.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...e-Wenger-defends-his-socialist-wage-plan.html

 

[GDeep™]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...e-Wenger-defends-his-socialist-wage-plan.html

His quotes suggest a joint venture by the club.

I'm not finding anything to say this structure is a "Wenger creation".

 

[GDeep™]

I'll wait for sources on the Wenger wage structure. Otherwise I'll have to start calling BS when people spout this stuff.

 

[Lookin' for a new Baby]

We are considered a laughing stock on the field mate, thats all that matters.
Im tired of paying hard earned money to finance failing NFL and NBA franchises.
Get an Arsenal fan in, one with 13 billion in the bank, and watch the rivals quiver. Its the one thing they're all dreading.
Best run club my arse, 5th and into the europa league.

I'm not saying we are the best run club now!!! We were, but we are neither a well run club from a footballing point of view, nor do we play attractive football. We are a laughing stock from top to bottom. Invincible to this. The only good thing about Usimov is that the top teams would quake in their boots, but we could end up with as another play thing for a billionaire. The Premier League is a joke now.

 

[trippyhippy]

Wenger only spent big last summer, and even that wasn't big compared to our rivals.

Our spending is still average, and it's still debatable how much spending power the boss has.

was it kroenke that told wenger to not buy any outfield player 2 summers back when everyone else in europe did and every prem club spent more than us. the answer is no. wenger has favourites and he was deluded enough to think his squad was good enough and no doubt thinks the current one can challenge next year.

 

[blaise]

I already tried to explain this but again. Summer when we bought Czech you have to include Welbecks transfer because that wasnt planned summer before financially, emergency signing after Girouds injury from future funding. Also we bought Sanchez in two or three instalments, so you have to include that also. Club feeds us with marketing about our spending power and Wenger supports club with his statements. Only last summer was some financial power, probably because of new tv deal, 80-90m. That is what it will probably be in the future and that is laughable when comparing to City, United, Chelsea. We have to sell players to buy players, simple as that.

 

[field442]

I already tried to explain this but again. Summer when we bought Czech you have to include Welbecks transfer because that wasnt planned summer before financially, emergency signing after Girouds injury from future funding. Also we bought Sanchez in two or three instalments, so you have to include that also. Club feeds us with marketing about our spending power and Wenger supports club with his statements. Only last summer was some financial power, probably because of new tv deal, 80-90m. That is what it will probably be in the future and that is laughable when comparing to City, United, Chelsea. We have to sell players to buy players, simple as that.

99% of transfers are done in ****ing installments. The bit about Welbeck is rubbish too. What a load of bollocks.

 

[field442]

His quotes suggest a joint venture by the club.

I'm not finding anything to say this structure is a "Wenger creation".

Of course the board have involvement, but who do you think they go to when contract negotiations take place and they need to know what the player is worth? Gazidis said this

“Where we start with every player is an assessment of talent. Arsène makes decisions on what talent he wants. Once he identifies the talent he wants then we talk wages. The right decisions on wages inevitably follow the talent assessment. Arsène is not scared to pay top wages to top players. We need to evolve our pay structure. We have never said that there’s an absolute structure and I’m not sure I know which comments from Arsène you’re referring to. Thanks to Arsène we’ve competed against clubs that have spent much more than us and we think he’s done a good job.”

Arsène does the talent assessing and the wages go from there. He's given a budget and works from that. Instead of paying Ramsey 50k a week and Alexis 200k a week he pays Ramsey 100k a week and Alexis 150k a week, because that's more "sensible and defensible", as he put it.

 

[Malky]

I've criticized him heavily this season, but how is Wengers spending at fault here? People bringing up signing Matip instead of Mustafi, if we signed a CB on a free transfer Wenger and the club would of got dogs abuse for being " cheap bastards " again. Mane was also considered not good enough and most were excited about the Perez signing, he was considered a better buy than Vardy would of been.
Our big spending last summer wasn't even 'big' in the grand scale of things. What we spent on Mustafi, Xhaka, Perez and Holding, United spent more on one player and then went on to make a few more signings. Is £35M even a huge amount in today's game? We're nearly seeing that amount being thrown about by Championship clubs. We look like we're ****ing miles away from competing with clubs for Pogba/Bale type transfer fees. At-least we are while that American ****** is the owner.

 

[scytheavatar]

I've criticized him heavily this season, but how is Wengers spending at fault here? People bringing up signing Matip instead of Mustafi, if we signed a CB on a free transfer Wenger and the club would of got dogs abuse for being " cheap bastards " again.

There's no reason for Wenger to give a bloody damn about us being cheap bastards, we brought Holding and most people will acknowledge that he has been an amazing buy, the type we are making too little. While we are whining about spending and not being able to compete in the transfer market the likes of Monaco/Juve/Dortmund have been making a killing signing up top class prospects. Monaco managed to finish above PSG despite having a lot less to spend, so too did Leicester last season, and we finish above Utd despite them buying Pogba. Wenger's spending is at fault because he has been given enough money, if not to win the league then at least to be much more competitive than we are currently, and he is underperforming for the money he has been given. There is no reason to think that we can give him another 100 million in the summer and that will bring us closer to winning the title, truth is the more money Wenger gets to spend the worst he gets in the transfer market.

 

[blaise]

99% of transfers are done in ****ing installments. The bit about Welbeck is rubbish too. What a load of bollocks.

Some arguments you present, you should try reading back articles about the club if you havent really followed these last few years of transfers. Doesnt mean if you read something on forum 100 times or say between friends that it is automatically truth. Also Arsenal rarely pays in installments because we usually have cash, one of the bigger reasons some clubs do business with us.

 

[Preacher]

The f***.

Every big transfer is paid in installments these days. Doesn't matter if clubs are hoarding cash in the bank or not.