Cobra Kai Havertz: No Mercy

[LookingForEric]

Yeah Laca had a bit of swagger about him as well especially his first couple seasons, he wasn’t always bemoaned.

This is why I criticise the people who bring up Kai's technical ability as an asset. How does a DM from West Ham look more technical than an attacking midfielder from a Chelsea side that won the Champions League? That's crazy to me.

And one more thing. Funny when we had Cesc, Özil and Cazorla as our attacking midfielders no one brought up their duels won.

You must need an eye test. Rice doesn’t look anywhere near as technically gifted as Havertz what are you chatting

What exactly have you seen to determine that and create that opinion?!

 

[BigPoppaPump]

Havertz hasn’t been as bad as people act like he has, just an easy scapegoat for the sheep and parrots.

 

[BigPoppaPump]

You must need an eye test. Rice doesn’t look anywhere near as technically gifted as Havertz what are you chatting

What exactly have you seen to determine that and create that opinion?!

It’s a popularity contest, I wouldn’t take most peoples opinions on new players seriously it’s just a circlejerk.

 

[King87]

Kai is arguably one of the most technical players we have right now. I’d rate him just behind Ødegaard,Zinchenko and Partey. Most times you wonder if you’re watching the same sport with a lot of people here

 

[grange]

Kai is arguably one of the most technical players we have right now. I’d rate him just behind Ødegaard,Zinchenko and Partey. Most times you wonder if you’re watching the same sport with a lot of people here

Our time will come. We just have to be patient for now.

 

[Macho]

Kai is arguably one of the most technical players we have right now.

He's really not and I don't know where this came from, but doesn't mean he can't be a success.

At a push you could say he has better shooting technique than a lot of the squad, but in terms of touch and manipulating the ball, receiving the ball he's actually mid in this squad.

In addition to the names you mentioned, the Hale End lot, Vieira and Trossard leave him in the dust technically. Even Martinelli is ahead of him in set pieces, they wouldn't even let Havertz stand around and pretend to kick it unless it's a penalty.

He's the better natural athlete than a lot of them though.

 

[King87]

He's really not and I don't know where this came from, but doesn't mean he can't be a success.

At a push you could say he has better shooting technique than a lot of the squad, but in terms of touch and manipulating the ball, receiving the ball he's actually mid in this squad.

In addition to the names you mentioned the Hale End lot plus Trossard and Vieira leaves this guy in the dust technically.

Actually you could say that's mostly due to his lack of confidence right now. At full pelt in Leverkusen he was actually unbelievable

 

[Macho]

I even forgot Jesus, I don't think we could say in good conscience that Havertz sticks out in this squad technically.

 

[King87]

 

[Rasmi]

Kai is arguably one of the most technical players we have right now. I’d rate him just behind Ødegaard,Zinchenko and Partey. Most times you wonder if you’re watching the same sport with a lot of people here

Kai is not even top 10 most technical players we have. Guy is a donkey. He can’t do anything on the ball

 

[Macho]

At a push you could say he has better shooting technique than a lot of the squad

A few of those clips just prove what I said and backheels we've seen Nketiah and ESR do.

The pair of us didn't even mention Martinelli, I don't tend to rank him as highly technically as some others in this squad but look at him when he decides to turn it on.

Kai doesn't stand out technically in this squad, not dribbling, not touch, not long range or incisive passing, all the hallmarks of good technique he's not displayed it in the league other than the odd finish.

 

[db10_therza]

Kai is decent technically I think, but what he’s best at are those instinctive little flicks.

Players/people who rely on instinct are prone to over thinking things when they’re low on confidence.

Kai is probably guilty of this right now. Which actually goes to the real problem with him - I’m not sold on his mentality. Seems a bit weak.

If Arteta can bring his confidence back somehow he’ll probably be decent for us.

 

[Macho]

Kai is decent technically I think

Same, he's not terrible but saying "Kai is arguably one of the most technical players we have right now" is just simply not true at all, hence the long list of names mentioned above.

Mid tier at best in this current squad, 3 years ago had he come you could probably say that.

 

[db10_therza]

Kai doesn't stand out technically in this squad, not dribbling, not touch, not long range or incisive passing, all the hallmarks of good technique he's not displayed it in the league other than the odd finish.

Thing is, as a team we are technically incredible, and this gets overlooked a lot, especially around here. It’s only City that betters us in terms of technique. Liverpool and that lot, there’s a big gap.

If a player comes in and doesn’t look massively out of place, then he is technically sound. What’s looked off with Havertz is his decision making, not his technique imo.

Fwiw, Jesus and Ødegaard are clear imo, then there’s not really much in it with the rest of the midfield/attack.

 

[Macho]

If a player comes in and doesn’t look massively out of place, then he is technically sound. What’s looked off with Havertz is his decision making, not his technique imo.

Some of his wackness is technique though, even his body shape is wrong before he receives the pass. It limits his view and when the opponent closes down the only thing he can do is return the ball rather than progress play.

This aspect can probably be coached though, but there's like 10 players you wouldn't have to explain this to in the squad which was my point.

Havertz (and Rice but that's a whole can of worms for a different thread) can't receive the ball in tight central areas and it's cost us in the build up in our opening 4 games.

 

[db10_therza]

Some of his wackness is technique though, even his body shape is wrong before he receives the pass. It limits his view and when the opponent closes down the only thing he can do is return the ball rather than progress play.

This aspect can probably be coached though, but there's like 10 players you wouldn't have to explain this to in the squad which was my point.

He (and Rice but that's a whole can of worms for a different thread) can't receive the ball in tight central areas and it's cost us in the build up in our opening 4 games.

I’ll watch closer next game. I’ve been pretty focused on his movement so far.

Rice is getting better at this tho, was my biggest worry with him but I’ve seen progress already just in a few games so I’m less stressed.

 

[King87]

Same, he's not terrible but saying "Kai is arguably one of the most technical players we have right now" is just simply not true at all, hence the long list of names mentioned above.

Mid tier at best in this current squad, 3 years ago had he come you could probably say that.

Yeah I guess it speaks more of the array of quality players we currently possess right now that even a player like Kai who by all means is far from sh*t technically and was Chelsea's best player albeit in a poor team will struggle to stake a claim in our top 5 technicians.

Although I still mostly think his ability is affected a great deal when his confidence is on the floor like it is right now and will eventually show more when he gets his mojo back but you've got to admit Dirty chavs did a job on him tbf

 

[Macho]

Although I still mostly think his ability is affected a great deal when his confidence is on the floor like it is right now and will eventually show more when he gets his mojo back but you've got to admit Dirty chavs did a job on him tbf

For sure, I do believe Kai has a level above what he’s shown for sure. I’ve been part of it but I think we’ve gone overboard in the analysis for 4 Arsenal games.

 

[Rasmi]

Benched for Germany. Looks like they choose to play with 11 today

 

[King87]

Unreal level of imagination for the Mod with the tag change btw..Absolute work of a genius.