Arsène Wenger: Same Old Class

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We thought Gazidis is "a bald fraud", but he is our savior...

 

[Xhaka Zulu]

We can do that in our league too. We just aren't ruthless enough.

Not for peanuts though.

 

[Hunter Zolomon]

Take it with pinch of salt, maybe someone is on a wind up:
Today is full of this kind of rumors. Apparently Gazidis is set to leave, he doesn't see eye to eye with Kroenke

Wenger must have some compromising pictures of board members

 

[Rex Stone]

I would say both are a huge factor. Pochettino has his way of playing and with CL football in the bag increasing the profile of the club and the pool of players available to him he still went back for a player he managed previously to fill what he viewed as a whole in the squad. Wanyama has done that job. They've conceded less goals while juggling CL football for the first time in a long time. Our own manager has said how difficult that can be yet Sp**s are sitting second in the league and we only went two games further than them.

To keep this somewhat on track Wenger has been signing the wrong players for a while now. Players we have signed have no role in how we play, they have strong qualities but they dont fit our system or what we need to go forward.

I agree with you to extent, I think if we'd signed Wanyama he is levels above the garbage we have in Coquelin and Elneny but I don't think we'd be much better. Our style of play would leave him exposed and we'd still be getting picked off.

You cite Chelsea and Sp**s as the teams who've conceded the least goals and it's no coincidence they have the most organised and well defined systems.

With the open way we play we need world class players in almost every position which unless we're signing say Modric or Thiago then player signings are almost academic without a system change.

 

[Makingtrax]

If only us ordinary employees were retained and given pay rises even after doing crap work.

What does Wenger even do with the money? I mean he's almost 70 and he probably has millions sitting in the bank.

Just about every CEO of every major company and bank who've messed up big style have been given a pay rise, or a huge severance or a massive pension. It's how the world works. The guy at the top is never to blame.

Mourinho got £8.3m from Chelsea for taking them to near the bottom of the league. Moyes got £5.2m for dropping United out of the top 4.

Wenger's never been out of the top 4 in 20 years, deserves every penny he's earned in such a high pressure job.

 

[Kingslayer]

Take it with pinch of salt, maybe someone is on a wind up:
Today is full of this kind of rumors. Apparently Gazidis is set to leave, he doesn't see eye to eye with Kroenke

I can neither confirm nor deny these rumours.

 

[Makingtrax]

STATEMENT: Black Scarf Movement says no new contract for Arsène Wenger:

http://www.blackscarfafc.co.uk/bsm-says-no-new-contract-for-Arsène-wenger.html

Black Scarf ******. Who the f*** are they? Do they publish any minutes of meetings, membership figures?

 

[BobP]

Just about every CEO of every major company and bank who've messed up big style have been given a pay rise, or a huge severance or a massive pension. It's how the world works. The guy at the top is never to blame.

Mourinho got £8.3m from Chelsea for taking them to near the bottom of the league. Moyes got £5.2m for dropping United out of the top 4.

Wenger's never been out of the top 4 in 20 years, deserves every penny he's earned in such a high pressure job.

What pressure? Us fans are ignored and board lets him do whatever the **** he wants.

Also, labeling the Arsenal job as a high pressure job is a gross misrepresentation. Want to know what a high pressure job is? Working hours upon hours in a low wage job, with the knowledge that if you don't, your kids might have to go without food.

 

[Gooner Zig]

Anyone listen to Footballistically Arsenal podcast? Josh Landy has got to be even more stubborn than Wenger. Just dismisses anyone who wants Wenger gone and offers zero arguments for why he should remain. Drives me mad.

So what's his basic argument for why Arsène should remain? Can't be "just because"

 

[Preacher]

Black Scarf ******. Who the f*** are they? Do they publish any minutes of meetings, membership figures?

They declare, that they are the largest Arsenal Supporters' Group. Don't know if it's true. They have section 'about us' in their webpage, maybe you can find there, what you're looking for.

 

[BobP]

I agree with you to extent, I think if we'd signed Wanyama he is levels above the garbage we have in Coquelin and Elneny but I don't think we'd be much better. Our style of play would leave him exposed and we'd still be getting picked off.

You cite Chelsea and Sp**s as the teams who've conceded the least goals and it's no coincidence they have the most organised and well defined systems.

With the open way we play we need world class players in almost every position which unless we're signing say Modric or Thiago then player signings are almost academic without a system change.

Both Modric and or Thiago would struggle playing under Wenger, no doubt.

Our issues are deeply embedded in the structure of our play.

I said when we smashed West Ham earlier this season that it was a crap team performance and that it was only the vintage performances of Sanchez and Özil (IIRC) which did West Ham.

 

[Gooner Zig]

He's being offered £2m a year MORE?!!!

And some are up in arms at the prospect of the progressive Ox being given a rise if he signs on...

Two wrongs don't make a right!

 

[Rocky]

(1) lol, the Sp**s fan has an opinion, but I'll bite.

(2) We've done all the other ways to voice our views. We've been patient. We endured a trophy drought for 9 years and showed complete support for Wenger and his ideals. We've supported him when Mourinho called him a specialist in failure. You won't find any other fanbase or supporters that have been as patient as Arsenal fans especially when the manager says "Fourth place is a trophy,"

(3) What we really want is the club/the manager to show the same level of ambition the fans have. Right now it's alright to fail as long as we make top 4. It shouldn't be alright to fail. Our board should be setting targets, and the targets need to be a lot higher than we're getting right now. And yet they don't say anything. In the rare statement they make none of it is ever said with "We want to be a successful club domestically and in Europe against the highest opposition, we want to win titles and develop world class players. We want Arsenal to be the best club in England and then Europe." It's more along the lines of "Your opinions are heard, but we don't really care about you matchday peasants."

Now I'm not saying becoming a super club like Bayern is doable. But that's what ambition is. You have to try. You have to take risks. We don't try. We don't take risks--not even in our style of play. We do the same thing every year. But you're not an Arsenal supporter. You can't understand the frustration so you don't get an opinion that is valid.

1) You a lie about people who disagree with you because you can't win a debate without desperately resorting to nefarious tactics.

2) Your arguments suffer from a delusional and self-pitying mentality. "You won't find any other fanbase or supporters that have been as patient as Arsenal fans especially when the manager says "Fourth place is a trophy,""..........
.........apart from the supporters of most of the football teams across the entire world, the vast majority of which are less successful at winning trophies than Arsenal. Oh 'woe is me, the patient, the morally righteous, the oppressed and downtrodden fan of Arsenal FC'

3) All of the things you want conveniently omit what Arsenal had prior to Wenger's arrival. Rocastle and Thomas had been unnecessarily sold and replaced by inferior midfielders. Bergkamp was just about the only truly top class player who'd been signed for about 5 years. There were huge problems with several key players in terms of alcohol and other lifestyle issues. Ian Wright was played on the wing by Rioch and put in a transfer request. Man Utd had been allowed to steal a march by signing numerous great players. George Graham was sacked for taking bungs so that John Jensen and Pål Lydersen could be brought in as replacements for better players who had been sold.

So the only credentials one requires to validate their arguments is to say that they support Arsenal? That's very rational, and conveniently restricts opinions only to the most radical hardcore football fans who've made the bold choice to support Arsenal FC TM. Let's hope you aren't just jealous because you know that in the time when I did support Arsenal in the past, I actually did, in person at Highbury. Let's hope you do something to support Arsenal, and aren't just another keyboard warrior.

 

[Kingslayer]

Radio Marca invited Nacho Monreal into the studio to speak to him about the Spanish national team, but they also had a few questions regarding the managerial situation at Arsenal and the uncertainty surrounding Wenger’s future.

He said: “An Arsenal without Wenger? It’s complicated, isn’t it? It’s complicated to imagine it, because he’s been the manager for more than 20 years, and the truth is I can’t imagine it, but only time will tell.”

Despite a current poor run of form, and an underperformance for the last ten years or so that would have seen 99% of other managers sacked, the Frenchman remains, and Nacho Monreal seems to know just why.

He continued: “At the end of the day, he’s someone who’s been at the club for 20 years. He’s the boss. He holds the most weight in the dressing room, at board level, and he controls pretty much everything, but he’s very approachable.

“He’s someone who speaks with the players, asks about everyone’s situations. He always has positive things to say, and he likes to have a controlled dressing room, and a good atmosphere. We’re fortunate to have him.”

Admitting they were in a difficult situation at present with results more often than not going against them, exemplified by the 3-1 loss to West Brom at the weekend, Monreal made it clear the players were still wanted Wenger at the club, and wouldn’t give up on him.

He said: “We’ll give everything until then end. If he decides to renew, then of course we’ll be behind him, we trust him.”

http://sportwitness.co.uk/hes-boss-controls-everything-arsenal-star-wenger-staying/

 

[Sanchez11]

Black Scarf ******. Who the f*** are they? Do they publish any minutes of meetings, membership figures?

Hard core fans thats who they are, not ***** footers like most!!

 

[Makingtrax]

What pressure? Us fans are ignored and board lets him do whatever the **** he wants.

Also, labeling the Arsenal job as a high pressure job is a gross misrepresentation. Want to know what a high pressure job is? Working hours upon hours in a low wage job, with the knowledge that if you don't, your kids might have to go without food.

Come on . . you don't have to work in a sweat shop to be in a stressful job. Football manager's at the top are under intense pressure. Wenger's showing signs of stress in every interview.

The only reason Wenger's lasted so long is that he's never dropped out of the top 4 and won 3 epls and 6 FA Cups. You might think that's sh*t, but he doesn't answer to you, he answers to the shareholders. And that's a simple fact that fans struggle with.

 

[goonerwarsh]

Think in the view of the board a pay rise is in order. The money keeps rolling in and of course Wenger should have part of that cake. As fans we feel very much different, but in the view of Kroenke we are just customers. If he can suck a sufficient amount of money out of us compared to the invested capital all is well. Unfortunately I feel Wenger shares this view now.

Of course he'll take his pay rise, everyone got to get their bit of the cake. Apart from the fans who fund this excess of course, they'll be hit with more ticket hikes on what is already a ridiculously expensive pastime.

No wonder he's so keen to sign on. Another easy £10 million for two or three years

All this bullsh*t from the players 'We'll continue to support him, we'll give everything until the end'. It's all absolute drivel. You can translate that into, we'll continue to coast along, become increasingly rich and take comfort from the little bubble that we exist in at London Colney and the Emirates'. If this season is them 'giving everything' then I'd hate to see what the performance is like if they decided to ease off a bit. What was Giroud's line about wanting to 'carry on this adventure'. I mean, the front of coming out with something like that. Adventure? What on earth is this man smoking? These guys are in an absolute untouchable reality of their own. Bunch of f**king jokers - I'm f**king sick of it.

 

[Makingtrax]

They declare, that they are the largest Arsenal Supporters' Group. Don't know if it's true. They have section 'about us' in their webpage, maybe you can find there, what you're looking for.

Yeah, seen them declare that. But where's their legitimacy?

 

[BobP]

Come on . . you don't have to work in a sweat shop to be in a stressful job. Football manager's at the top are under intense pressure. Wenger's showing signs of stress in every interview.

The only reason Wenger's lasted so long is that he's never dropped out of the top 4 and won 3 epls and 6 FA Cups. You might think that's sh*t, but he doesn't answer to you, he answers to the shareholders. And that's a simple fact that fans struggle with.

Most football managers are under pressure, not Wenger.

He won most of those trophies a decade ago.

Without fans the club would be nothing, the fans were here long before Wenger and all of those who are at the club, and they'll still be there long after they're gone.

 

[Preacher]

Come on . . you don't have to work in a sweat shop to be in a stressful job. Football manager's at the top are under intense pressure. Wenger's showing signs of stress in every interview.

The only reason Wenger's lasted so long is that he's never dropped out of the top 4 and won 3 epls and 6 FA Cups. You might think that's sh*t, but he doesn't answer to you, he answers to the shareholders. And that's a simple fact that fans struggle with.

It would be better to say, that he answers to Kroenke. Usmanov doesn't have any say. Also we have fans, who also are shareholders hence annual AGM meetings. Even Piers Morgan owns Arsenal shares.