Mesut Özil: 2019/20 Performances

[lomekian]

circumstantial evidence. Plus, every player who does not sign the contract gets slandered by the PR. Ramsey was brutalized when he left.

By who?

 

[lomekian]

Well the thruth is that a good coach should find a way to utilizes all his squad. Especially when it comes to a guy earning 350K£ per week. The same goes for Guendouzi.

They should not be completely cut from the team. Even if the goal is to sell them ASAP, you play them to increase their value. And now that we have 5 changes Arteta could have easily used them more.

It's not 0 or 100. Is Özil still good enough to be starting week in week out ? No. Is he good enough to play 20 minutes when needed or start again week sides like Villa ? Yes.

In matches when we need to press like crazy he is not the right player but when we dominate and we need to create chances just play him until we get a better player.

If Guendouzi and Özil have attitude problem with Arteta he should find solutions. You can't just bin indefinitely any player with character or behavioral issues.

Arteta's made it quite clear that hes prioritising a reset of the club culture over marginal immediate gains. Which long term is the right call, given how lax things got over the last few years.

The simple fact is, we've all heard rumours and we can all speculate, but not one of us knows with any certainty the actual reason or combination of reasons he's not being considered at the moment.

Maybe he shouldn't be cut from the team, maybe he should. There's no doubt we missed his skillset against Villa, but not much else of late. Given how integral he was for Arteta initially, something has clearly broken that relationship, and the implication from Arteta's comments on the subject is that the issue hasn't been resolved as yet.

Arteta's not stupid. He's not going to cut his nose off to spite his face. The simple facts are, we don't know what's happened bar rumours or conjecture.

 

[gamechannel]

Actually I think Arsène had the transfers taking out of his hand at that point.

Don't think we will be signing those types of players again though unless we get an ownership change, would love Partey here but I am admittedly doubtful that he wants to join.

Sanchez was a great one...signed an elite player, while being surrounded by 10/10 Brazilians on a beach, that were just fawning over Big Wengz...what a man!

Oh, is that so? So we're now going to give Raul credit for Auba? Well in that case, we should also give him blame for the mikhi swap and outrageous contract as well as the humongous contract he gave to Özil cuz all of that happened in the same window.

So basically Raul is reaponsible for the **** sandwich we are in with respect to 2 extremely bad contracts of Özil and mikhi

 

[CaseUteinberger]

The bottom line is trophies and football. Not accountability, not discipline, not wages.

Well, if you have have no views on cause and effect and how to build a winning mentality then sure.

You reason a bit like the Underwear Gnomes in South Park if you remember them: Underwear = Profit. Just forgot how one leads to another.

But what the heck, cause and effect and how to actually build a winning side is for losers. "The bottom line is trophies and football. Not accountability, not discipline, not wages" as you say.

 

[lomekian]

Oh, is that so? So we're now going to give Raul credit for Auba? Well in that case, we should also give him blame for the mikhi swap and outrageous contract as well as the humongous contract he gave to Özil cuz all of that happened in the same window.

So basically Raul is reaponsible for the **** sandwich we are in with respect to 2 extremely bad contracts of Özil and mikhi

I think the poster was placing responsibility for all 3 at Ivan's door, but sure, be disingenuous if you like.

 

[scytheavatar]

We fell off because Emery screwed us.

If we had a better manager we'd been in contention for third or fourth at Worst.

You could blame Raul for not pulling the trigger on Emery when it became clear that we were going no where with him managing the team.

But you can't say Raul hasn't done a decent job.

But I'm willing to give him till the end of his contract then we'll evaluate where we are at then

We fell off because we lost many players in the summer and the players we signed weren't good enough to make up for the void. The dumbass decision to replace Ramsey with Ceballos while Partey was desperate to join us is easily the main reason why we are struggling. We screwed up when we allowed Ramsey to leave on the free, how the fill that Ramsey hole should have been the main if not the only focus in the summer transfer window. Instead we blew all of our money on a winger which we never need while we still have Auba and Laca. Blame has got to go 100% on Raul for how our season turned out. We were 11th when Arteta took over and now we are 10th, so it's not like we have improved a lot without Emery.

 

[krackpot]

Well, if you have have no views on cause and effect and how to build a winning mentality then sure.

You reason a bit like the Underwear Gnomes in South Park if you remember them: Underwear = Profit. Just forgot how one leads to another.

But what the heck, cause and effect and how to actually build a winning side is for losers. "The bottom line is trophies and football. Not accountability, not discipline, not wages" as you say.

obviously this is not a black-or-white statement. You then, should also not blame a player about lack of motivation when he trains hard and is professional. Where is the lack of accountability you speak of?

By who?

this is what many websites were publishing around that time: The Daily Telegraph on Tuesday wrote that Ramsey’s future “remains in doubt”. His spot in the Arsenal side is reportedly not certain, and he’s “already rejected one extension” to his current contract, which expires at the end of the year.

They were all calling him a liar, snake and whatever.

What Wenger said(the actual truth): https://talksport.com/football/626488/Arsène-wenger-aaron-ramsey-arsenal-contract-juventus/

 

[Football Manager]

We fell off because we lost many players in the summer and the players we signed weren't good enough to make up for the void. The dumbass decision to replace Ramsey with Ceballos while Partey was desperate to join us is easily the main reason why we are struggling. We screwed up when we allowed Ramsey to leave on the free, how the fill that Ramsey hole should have been the main if not the only focus in the summer transfer window. Instead we blew all of our money on a winger which we never need while we still have Auba and Laca. Blame has got to go 100% on Raul for how our season turned out. We were 11th when Arteta took over and now we are 10th, so it's not like we have improved a lot without Emery.

We missed Cazorla and Fabregas. Not ramsey. We need more technical players to help in the build up phase. Ramsey is **** on the ball and only bothered to contribute in the final third phase to make those penalty box run. Our build up phase is hurt as he was always missing/not contributing in the build up. We have so few possession and so few chances created as a team because of that. We need to start create overload and not admiring players who are just good off the ball.

 

[Oxeki]

Funny you mention that time as it is the only time that we won anything. Almost won the League too

Our decline started in that period.
The FA cup blinded us to what was going on.

We were ****e in the 15/16 season. How can you 'almost' win the league when you finish with 76 points?
Let's be honest, if the other clubs were up for it, we wouldn't have Been in any title race.

Our form that season was top four at best, butwe finished second because other teams were bad.

Infact, we played better Football in 14/15 than 15/16.

Our transfer during that period 14-18 period was horrendous.

Two top signings in four years at a club like Arsenal plus the added millstone that was put around our neck that is Özil contract, it's little surprise that we're where we are.

 

[Oxeki]

We fell off because we lost many players in the summer and the players we signed weren't good enough to make up for the void. The dumbass decision to replace Ramsey with Ceballos while Partey was desperate to join us is easily the main reason why we are struggling. We screwed up when we allowed Ramsey to leave on the free, how the fill that Ramsey hole should have been the main if not the only focus in the summer transfer window. Instead we blew all of our money on a winger which we never need while we still have Auba and Laca. Blame has got to go 100% on Raul for how our season turned out. We were 11th when Arteta took over and now we are 10th, so it's not like we have improved a lot without Emery.

I'm not saying Raul shouldn't take any blame. Infact, in my reply to @GDeep™ 's post I said Raul has made some questionable decision, but what he's done in the transfer market is infinitely better than what Ivan did in the period of 14-18.

 

[krackpot]

Our decline started in that period.
The FA cup blinded us to what was going on.

We were ****e in the 15/16 season. How can you 'almost' win the league when you finish with 76 points?
Let's be honest, if the other clubs were up for it, we wouldn't have Been in any title race.

Our form that season was top four at best, butwe finished second because other teams were bad.

Infact, we played better Football in 14/15 than 15/16.

Our transfer during that period 14-18 period was horrendous.

Two top signings in four years at a club like Arsenal plus the added millstone that was put around our neck that is Özil contract, it's little surprise that we're where we are.

that millstone got us our first trophy in ten years.
that millstone got us average of a cup final per season

you want statistical evidence? Here:

2013/14: 34 games, AFC finish 4th (FA Cup)
2014/15: 21 games, AFC finish 3rd (FA Cup, CS)
2015/16: 35 games, AFC finish 2nd (CS)
2016/17: 32 games, AFC finish 5th (FA Cup)
2017/18: 24 games, AFC finish 5th (LC Final, CS)
2018/19: 08 games, (Emery) AFC finish 5th (EU Final)
2019/20: 18 games, (Em/Art) AFC finish 10th (FA Cup Final)

As @scytheavatar says, it started in 2017 , when we failed to replace Alexis/Ramsey/Cazorla. We started dropping off as his influence waned

You give big money to guys like Auba, Pepe and Özil, and these guys give you results and trophies.

If we do not spend money in the summer, we will stay the same, and AM will move to another player bleating about his wages.

 

[Oxeki]

that millstone got us our first trophy in ten years.
that millstone got us average of a cup final per season

you want statistical evidence? Here:

2013/14: 34 games, AFC finish 4th (FA Cup)
2014/15: 21 games, AFC finish 3rd (FA Cup, CS)
2015/16: 35 games, AFC finish 2nd (CS)
2016/17: 32 games, AFC finish 5th (FA Cup)
2017/18: 24 games, AFC finish 5th (LC Final, CS)
2018/19: 08 games, (Emery) AFC finish 5th (EU Final)
2019/20: 18 games, (Em/Art) AFC finish 10th (FA Cup Final)

As @scytheavatar says, it started in 2017 , when we failed to replace Alexis/Ramsey/Cazorla. We started dropping off as his influence waned

You give big money to guys like Auba, Pepe and Özil, and these guys give you results and trophies.

If we do not spend money in the summer, we will stay the same, and AM will move to another player bleating about his wages.

That's not true.

Ramsey was here when our decline started. It was Santi we have been unable to replace. Ramsey was dispensable. Ramsey was never this top midfielder that you guys make him out to be. A top goalscorer, yes. But he was average in possession. We don't need a Ramsey type midfielder. We need a cazorla type midfielder that gives us quality on the ball.

Well, we tried to replace Alexis. It was with Pepe. I know they played opposite wings but he's still a winger. It hasn't worked out as well as we would have liked to.

So Özil helped drive us to the Europa league final 2019?

You're high mate

 

[Jury]

One post on this thread between the Liverpool and City victories... Lose to Villa and it goes nuts

Can we just stick to discussing what a useless, thieving bum this guy is?

Our thread... Our playground

 

[Jury]

That's not true.

Ramsey was here when our decline started. It was Santi we have been unable to replace. Ramsey was dispensable. Ramsey was never this top midfielder that you guys make him out to be. A top goalscorer, yes. But he was average in possession. We don't need a Ramsey type midfielder. We need a cazorla type midfielder that gives us quality on the ball.

Well, we tried to replace Alexis. It was with Pepe. I know they played opposite wings but he's still a winger. It hasn't worked out as well as we would have liked to.

So Özil helped drive us to the Europa league final 2019?

You're high mate

We miss the stamina, character, drive and belief of Ramsey. He was one of the last of the big game players we had. You knew Ramsey fancies it against anyone, even if he’d been a disaster for 88 minutes, he had the capability and he’d still have the confidence to put a team to the sword. We miss players like that. Too many cardboard cutouts in this team.

 

[Oxeki]

We miss the stamina, character, drive and belief of Ramsey. He was one of the last of the big game players we had. You knew Ramsey fancies it against anyone, even if he’d been a disaster for 88 minutes, he had the capability and he’d still have the confidence to put a team to the sword. We miss players like that. Too many cardboard cutouts in this team.

Yeah, Ramsey for his flaw had a belief, heart, Stone and grit.

He always had that drive to keep going for 90 minutes even if he wasn't playing well. That's why I rate him higher than Özil.

He didn't phone it in. I believed if he was more injury prone, we would have kept him.

But we don't really need a player of his skillset. What we need is player like Santi or Cesc. We struggle to move the ball up the pitch quickly.

 

[Oxeki]

One post on this thread between the Liverpool and City victories... Lose to Villa and it goes nuts

Can we just stick to discussing what a useless, thieving bum this guy is?

Our thread... Our playground

Between the wins against Pool and city. The thread was unusually quiet.

Like someone somewhere is praying for a loss so as to be vindicated in his pro-Özil stance

 

[Jury]

Between the wins against Pool and city. The thread was unusually quiet.

Like someone somewhere is praying for a loss so as to be vindicated in his pro-Özil stance

Never understood favouritism to that degree— particularly when the player has posted creative stats recently that would make a CB embarrassed. It’s a lazy, desperate defence. It’s a team game.

 

[Elwood]

Yeah he's probably just turned up unacceptably out of form, and that's why he's out of the team. No reason for me to believe there's something behind the scenes when it wasn't like that before the break. So he might play next season if he really wants to and works his ass off in preseason. I wouldn't count on it though.

 

[GunnerShy]

We messed up because we signed Luiz who made mistakes all season, didn’t replace Kos, Nacho, Ramsey adequately. Pepe looks like we massively overpaid.

No manager can finish 3rd with Luiz making mistakes all season, Dani playing poor, Pepe a passenger etc.

Who did we lose over the off season?
Koscielny, Monreal after Burnley, Ramsey.

Anybody else of note?
Who did we gain? Ceballos, Luiz, Pepe, Tierney (injured initially), Martinelli.
I may have missed some, but with the exception of Ramsey none of the above go far towards explaining what happened this season.

We started poorly but picked up results, then the law of averages caught up with us and the "boat" hit an iceberg.

Emery lost this dressing room some time on Feb-May last season and never won it back. Regardless of his game management, his man management has been shown to be demonstrably awful in his last few assignments and at an Arsenal in need of a standards and cultural reset, he was a poor appointment albeit understandable.

In my mind the jury is still out on last window but it looks better than many before it. Did we spaff too much on Pepe? Looks like it, but Martinelli could prove an absolute steal and if we turn Pepe into a £55m winger on balance it will be a good window.
At least it ain't £72m on the Spanish Ospina.

Is there the argument that we bought the wrong sort of players for Emery (who has said he wanted Zaha and a different midfielder)? Yes there is, but that's partly the model with a Technical director and Raul. The manager isn't solely in charge of targets and the club needs to be joined up in building a squad so that if the manager leaves the next guy doesn't turn up to manage an Emery squad geared up only able to play "Respect ball". The counter argument is that it's hard to see any player who improved under Emery. The only positive really, was the blooding of Saka, Martinelli and some game time to Willock. That says Emery recognised issues with senior players even of he could not directly address them.

TL;DR - Özil is finished

 

[MikeVinna]

I think, like most of us, I’m done with this saga already. Done with the bickering between both camps. Done with the club making excuses. They should simply be honest with us about whats going on. Instead of making up slight injuries contradicted by Mesut being in full training for example. Just tell us he’s not committed or not fit or simply not what Arteta’s wants in a player.