Discussion in 'Arsenal Talk' started by atmosphere, Jun 24, 2009.
Isn't Gibbs a winger? Or has he moved to left-back permanently?
Wilshere is a winger, so we've produced one.
Gibbs is a 'perfect fullback', as he was described in some article. I really don't wanna see him getting minutes on the wing just for the **** of it. We are at a stage where we need to start fielding specialists only.
Don't you see football developing into a more versatile game though? I mean United won the league 3 times in a row without a proper striker.
We have Rosicky. :wink:
I believe Wilshere would be the perfect winger, fast, tricky, good movement, and can cut in to play some quality passes, he can also shoot well.
Of course these are also the qualities of an AM, but we are full of AMs, and lack wingers, so why not actually keep Wilshere out wide forever - it it good for the balance of the team, as if Wilshere or any winger moves inside, it would mean that Diaby gets chances wide again...
Hasn't AW described Jack The Lad's ultimate role as playing being the striker/s, as opposed to being on the flanks?
No I don't. I think in some cases it's possible, but as has been proved by our lack of success in recent years. It's only some players and those are exceptional players. People like Eboue, Diaby and Traore just don't offer enough on the wings. Players like Toure are an abomination at full back. A versatile player who is effective in a position other than his native one is an exception to the rule other than the rule.
Even the role of the second striker/attacker in the hole is generally a pipe dream that's so dependent on the forces around it to work in a positive way that's it's too expensive. And defensively it has it's pluses, however, it's the formation of relegation fodder for the sheer fact that it's so defensively geared and stifling attack-wise, unless of course you're playing route-one.
Wenger thinks that everyone can play in the hole. He even believes that no-vision-visikiiri can play in the hole.
An interesting article on modern tactics and formations. That touches on what you're saying Ibby.
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There is still a formation, when the ball is out of play, or it's slow passing at the back, you can see the players keeping position. Without a structure, we'd look a complete mess.
Of course there is a different formation for defending and attacking, but it only means that the full-backs and the midfielders have both roles.
Interesting article, but it doesn't say much. Clearly, each player has different roles, the DM to win balls and close down the opponents, the strikers to score, but not very rigid, Toure can also score while RvP can also make clearances.
Which is what the article is trying to say.
To say the least - and more so when our youngsters are more heralded for their movement & explosiveness than the seniors = a few of us have previously commented on the difference between the 2 sides & it's been dismissed as the kids being able to play without the weight of expectation.
Further to this it is also worth noting the reference to the effectiveness of the individuals within the system - in which case our seniors have yet to grasp the concept or the emphasis on possession is negating this.
Not really. Everything Wenger does or says is completely over analysed on here anyway, more often than not in a completely negative way by yourself, amongst others.
Wenger has said one or two signings, so you just disregard it. If he said no more signings, you'd take it as gospel and be *****ing about it in no time.
This thread was meant to be all hypothetical anyway, there's no harm in that all.
Thanks Ricky, totally cock-blocked my favourite conversation of the morning :cry:
How long have you been around here? Do you really think that Wenger saying more signings actually equates to more signings? ... The hard evidence is ... it doesn't.
That does not mean that it will not happen, but to attack someone for being more than a little skeptical is a strange thing to do around these parts.
Nobody knows what this summer is going to bring ... the usual rules have been thrown out the window with TV's arrival. That put together with Arshavin's arrival and we are all totally thrown.
Still, we don't yet know who is leaving.
Been around where? How does the amount of time I've been 'here' (whereever that is) affect what actually is and isn't happening in terms of Arsenal Football Club?
Wenger has said we need to make some more experienced signings of a defensive nature and that he wants to wrap up the business early.
We signed Tommy V and we were the first club out of the top 4 to sign anyone... this would indicate so far that Wenger is doing what he said he would. Previous seasons have absolutely no relevance.
I'm not attacking anyone for being sceptical, I'm just tired of the negative mentality where people BELIEVE the things that Wenger says that go against what they wanna hear, but when he says something they want, they say he's lying or that you can't trust it or whatever.
It's all very childish.
HERE, AM posting. An Arsenal fan ... If you want to think that I meant that I was more of a fan than you .... well, I did not mean that.
Er? see above.
Oh yes they do. We are all worried as hell because of previous seasons.
Childish? What? ... to doubt Wenger, after the past 4 seasons of false promises (re transfers) is childish now? Blimey. LOL. Pass me my teddy.
This year is very different. Someone has got some money from somewhere and things are ... in our imagination at least ... moving fast. Though of course no more signings and a first choice CB leaves and we are nowhere again.
Best we wait until August/September to see things more clearly. That will have to include both being cynical and on the other hand ... naive.
What negative mentality? all I said is Wenger has to keep his cards close to his chest, and you just shot off because you saw the big bad Biggus above a post and didn't really read it.
Thats being childish. As Web says- who the f**k knows what Wenger is going to do this year.
Then it's a pointless article.
- Everyone knows this
- It has always been this way
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