SydneyGunnerFan
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3 back 5 mid 2 strikers should be the way to go hard to get through the middle of the park and we will have some pace up front so we can get through them with 2 strikers
leonardo santiago said:For those who want to play 4-5-1, but call it 4-3-3, I recommend a book by Wiel Coerver -a genius, whose methods are used all over the world- 'football Tactics & Techniques For A Better Offense '
I'm not debating that it's about the way midfielders play. You're missing the point.kel varnsen said:leonardo santiago said:For those who want to play 4-5-1, but call it 4-3-3, I recommend a book by Wiel Coerver -a genius, whose methods are used all over the world- 'football Tactics & Techniques For A Better Offense '
well, then you and him are wrong. egil olsen, former national coach of norway, says otherwise and when it comes to tactics and the theoretical aspects of football, he is absolutely brilliant. the classic 4-3-3 employs one centre forward and two offensive wingers. the wingers doesn't have the same defensive responsibilites as the wingers in a 4-4-2, and are supposed to get into the box when the other(opposite side) winger crosses the ball in...
leonardo santiago said:I'm not debating that it's about the way midfielders play. You're missing the point.kel varnsen said:leonardo santiago said:For those who want to play 4-5-1, but call it 4-3-3, I recommend a book by Wiel Coerver -a genius, whose methods are used all over the world- 'football Tactics & Techniques For A Better Offense '
well, then you and him are wrong. egil olsen, former national coach of norway, says otherwise and when it comes to tactics and the theoretical aspects of football, he is absolutely brilliant. the classic 4-3-3 employs one centre forward and two offensive wingers. the wingers doesn't have the same defensive responsibilites as the wingers in a 4-4-2, and are supposed to get into the box when the other(opposite side) winger crosses the ball in...
Furthermore Egil Olsen is a very good coach, but is a nobody compared to Wiel Coerver. Ask Arsène Wenger, or any other manager, who is the best & they'll say Coerver, who apart from being a great player and manager, set up methods used by nearly every topclub (Olsen read all his books too). Coerver is THE authority on football technique and tactics.
Gurgen said:No, there are three forwards, a centre forward, a left forward and a right forward, that's why it is called 4-3-3.
They're not offensive wingers, they're forwards. They play on one line with the centre forward.
You're describing the Rosenborg/Norway system, not 4-3-3. Kel, I know what I'm talking about I did nearly all the courses of the Dutch FA available on the subject.kel varnsen said:Gurgen said:No, there are three forwards, a centre forward, a left forward and a right forward, that's why it is called 4-3-3.
They're not offensive wingers, they're forwards. They play on one line with the centre forward.
no, when defending. the wingers/forwards have defensive duties. in effect, the formation looks like 4-5-1 when defending:
---x---
x-----x
--xxx-
x-x-x-x
Gurgen said:Everyone has defensive duties according to the Dutch philisophy, this doesn't make them any less forwards. They defend as far back as midfield if needed, while a real winger would cover for his fullback as well.
and that's exactly where you're wrong: 4 (defenders) - 3 (midfielders) - 3 (forwards, 2 of which play on each wing), 4 (defenders) - 5 (5 midfielders , 2 of which play on each wing) - 1 (forward).kel varnsen said:and i'm telling you that there is only one out and out forward in 4-3-3, not three...
The three midfielders will normally play quite closely together to give protection to the defence.
While the three strikers will split across the pitch to provide width to the attack.
the 4-3-3 system as shown here (apart from the fact that the midfielders play close together which is blatantly wrong) is what Gurgen and I described as 4-3-3, played by Holland , Ajax and Feyenoord.kel varnsen said:then it is pretty obvious, the dutch have a very different definition of the 4-3-3 from the rest of the world.
here:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sportacademy/hi/s ... 637339.stm
leonardo santiago said:the 4-3-3 system as shown here (apart from the fact that the midfielders play close together which is blatantly wrong) is what Gurgen and I described as 4-3-3, played by Holland , Ajax and Feyenoord.kel varnsen said:then it is pretty obvious, the dutch have a very different definition of the 4-3-3 from the rest of the world.
here:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sportacademy/hi/s ... 637339.stm
the 4-5-1 system as shown here is the way Chelski & Rosenborg play (they might tell they play 4-3-3 but they don't).
answers.com (the other link)'s description of tactics is faulty allover (not only on 4-3-3).
& this was really my last post on this subject.
"The three midfielders will normally play quite closely together to give protection to the defence."
Gurgen said:The three midfielders will normally play quite closely together to give protection to the defence.
While the three strikers will split across the pitch to provide width to the attack.
Isn't this exactly what I was trying to explain?