Discussion in 'Arsenal Talk' started by American_Gooner, Apr 12, 2020.
As a fanbase, we truly underrated Wenger.
i was in awe. Never seen a finer person and sportsman or leader
Wenger out abuse has been arsenals downfall. We should have replaced him with a world class manager
Only 6 games in and Wengers Invincibles record remains intact once again. It really is such an incredible achievement, even with Pool and City dominating the last 2 seasons they still lost more than one game. The closest has been City 17/18 lost 2. All other winners have lost more than 2 games. Wengers greatest achievement and he's the only one to achieve it!
He was right to go I just disagreed with the abuse. The fact he hasn't returned to management and is open to international coaching says it all.
Should have jumped on Klopp, there were posters on here telling me he was overrated after he won the league with Dortmund and list the champions league final.
not this tired strawman moan again.
we had over two years to sign the next klopp. what did we get?
count dracula who had been kicked out of PSG and couldnt communicate.
Freddie who had a bald big head.
Arteta who has shiny hair and zero management experience.
What does it say? Other than him maybe wanting to enjoy life a little instead of investing 24 hours a day, 7 days a week in a club again - at 71 now too.
All the biggest jobs in Europe are held by terrible managers, even the international jobs.
Yeah, why didn’t our ambitious club get rid of that bum Wenger and hire Klopp, or Mourinho, or Carlo, or Potch etc.
Eagerly await your reply.
Thats because he's not a fan of the modern DOF structure. He's old school in that he believes a manager should have complete control over transfers and playing philosophy. All the big clubs that have approached him since his departure from Arsenal have a DOF structure. He will never sign up for it.
The reason he's open to international management is because he will have complete control of squad management.
That in itself is not true because he was at his best with Dein doing the legwork in the market and he knows that as well as anyone.
Dien got him the players he wanted not the players Dien imposed on him. Big difference.
Not what he said in a recent interview. Think age had more to do with it.
In his book he also states that he was doing far too much in Arsenal by the time he left, had less time for football.
Dein built the team he inherited and had input as well. It's not diminishing Arsène to point out that he didn't do it alone and that once his right hand man was not around things went downhill. Again, he knows it. Let's not disrespect David Dein by acting like he was Wenger's secretary or something. He brought Wenger to the club in the first place and they collaborated.
Decline started when we moved stadium and Wenger had to balance the books and manage the team.
And it's not the sole reason for the decline. Dein was influential with the FA and excellent in the market. Wenger took on too much responsibility and it showed in all phases as he got worse in the market and in the coaching. I believe in an actual telling of history, not a sanitized version to make someone look better or worse. But I recognize that I'm speaking to the guy who thinks that Arsenal were some non league team pre Wenger even though pre and post Wenger we're still 3rd in league titles won in English football.
He left to late, tarnished his legacy a bit with not knowing when to leave.
Nothing to discuss here though is there I share your opinion about the board. We should have jumped on Klopp though shouldn't we.
I dont think we are saying different things. All I'm saying is that Arsène doesn't agree with the modern DOF model where the manager has to work with the players the DOF gets as opposed to the manager identifying and getting the players he wants. Dean helped Arsène get the players he wanted as opposed to selecting players on his own and making Arsène work with them.
For example, news is now coming out the Edu overruled Arteta by signing Partey as opposed to Aouar.
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