SimplyFabregas
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Re: Arsenal vs FC Dynamo Kyiv, Tuesday Nov 25th 7:45 GMT
I would say Cesc put in an outstanding performance.
General said:
I would say Cesc put in an outstanding performance.
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General
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Re: Arsenal vs FC Dynamo Kyiv, Tuesday Nov 25th 7:45 GMT
Of course you would. :wink:
SimplyFabregas said:
Of course you would. :wink:
patrick42uk
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Re: Arsenal vs FC Dynamo Kyiv, Tuesday Nov 25th 7:45 GMT
Captain's right. Denislon did ok. He's getting stick at the moment but the only person to blame is Wenger for giving him responsibility he is not ready for.
Jack Wilshere looked tasty. He looks a really inventive player, playing short crisp accurate passing. Our first team lacks players with his qualities. There was a rumour going round that Merida might start and I was hopeful that was true. We are lacking creative ball players on the wings at the moment and I would not mind Merida and Wilshere seeing more time. Notice how many times Cesc picked the ball off Jack. This is no fluke when you get a wide player that can come deep to pick up the ball and play forward passes with confidence, it allows Cesc to look for space in the middle third to create havoc.
If the injury situation stays as it is, it wouldnt surprise me to see Jack start this weekend.
Captain's right. Denislon did ok. He's getting stick at the moment but the only person to blame is Wenger for giving him responsibility he is not ready for.
Jack Wilshere looked tasty. He looks a really inventive player, playing short crisp accurate passing. Our first team lacks players with his qualities. There was a rumour going round that Merida might start and I was hopeful that was true. We are lacking creative ball players on the wings at the moment and I would not mind Merida and Wilshere seeing more time. Notice how many times Cesc picked the ball off Jack. This is no fluke when you get a wide player that can come deep to pick up the ball and play forward passes with confidence, it allows Cesc to look for space in the middle third to create havoc.
If the injury situation stays as it is, it wouldnt surprise me to see Jack start this weekend.
GaelForce22
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Re: Arsenal vs FC Dynamo Kyiv, Tuesday Nov 25th 7:45 GMT
Huh? He's played really well once on the wing this season (away at Bolton) but was awful today. Constantly pushed off the ball and offered very little in attack.
True Gooner said:
Huh? He's played really well once on the wing this season (away at Bolton) but was awful today. Constantly pushed off the ball and offered very little in attack.
SimplyFabregas
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Re: Arsenal vs FC Dynamo Kyiv, Tuesday Nov 25th 7:45 GMT
I know it pains you to give El Capitan Cesc any credit, but the guy ran the show tonight, and barely put a foot wrong, stepped up when the team needed him at the end with Bendtner to win us the game.
But of course i'm sure you have your reasons. :roll:
General said:
I know it pains you to give El Capitan Cesc any credit, but the guy ran the show tonight, and barely put a foot wrong, stepped up when the team needed him at the end with Bendtner to win us the game.
But of course i'm sure you have your reasons. :roll:
dutchMasta
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Re: Arsenal vs FC Dynamo Kyiv, Tuesday Nov 25th 7:45 GMT
I think it pains you even more when someone doesn't give credit to your infatuation that is Cesc. He did play well tonight though, best player on the pitch for me.SimplyFabregas said:
Lukazan
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Re: Arsenal vs FC Dynamo Kyiv, Tuesday Nov 25th 7:45 GMT
Poor performance but a great result.
Almunia made a match winning save (apparently he never makes those..) so deserves alot of praise for that. Cesc still isn't anywhere near his best but still manages to create things which the team could not do without him on Saturday. Bendtner's take and finish was classy.
Song, Denilson, Ramsey and Vela were all very poor tonight, especially Vela although I see he's getting some ridiculously high ratings in the ratings thread but I'd expect nothing less from this place.
Oh and RVP and particularly Denilson are both a joke as far as staying on their feet is concerned. Deary me.
Poor performance but a great result.
Almunia made a match winning save (apparently he never makes those..) so deserves alot of praise for that. Cesc still isn't anywhere near his best but still manages to create things which the team could not do without him on Saturday. Bendtner's take and finish was classy.
Song, Denilson, Ramsey and Vela were all very poor tonight, especially Vela although I see he's getting some ridiculously high ratings in the ratings thread but I'd expect nothing less from this place.
Oh and RVP and particularly Denilson are both a joke as far as staying on their feet is concerned. Deary me.
ricky1985
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Re: Arsenal vs FC Dynamo Kyiv, Tuesday Nov 25th 7:45 GMT
Denilson may have had this resposnibility thrust upon him, but he is still painfully average and severely damaging our team whenever he plays. No one has an agenda against him, its not personal. He seems like a nice kid, and is a hard worker. However Like any player who isnt playing well or producing for the team he is getting criticised. He was utter crap tonight. He didnt do anything productive.
He should not be in our team, and whatever the reason for him being there, is irrelevant. If he plays **** he gets criticised, if he plays well he gets praised. Simple.
patrick42uk said:
Denilson may have had this resposnibility thrust upon him, but he is still painfully average and severely damaging our team whenever he plays. No one has an agenda against him, its not personal. He seems like a nice kid, and is a hard worker. However Like any player who isnt playing well or producing for the team he is getting criticised. He was utter crap tonight. He didnt do anything productive.
He should not be in our team, and whatever the reason for him being there, is irrelevant. If he plays **** he gets criticised, if he plays well he gets praised. Simple.
Feanor
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Re: Arsenal vs FC Dynamo Kyiv, Tuesday Nov 25th 7:45 GMT
I can understand people giving a lot of our players **** but the Fabregas criticism is just mind boggling. The kid carried this freaking team on his back this past season. Was awesome for Spain, didn't have a single minute of rest last year, got injured (surprise), has been a little off at the beginning due(btw, still one of the better players on a poor team) to his injury so it's ok to slag him? What gives? I'll never understand some fans.
I can understand people giving a lot of our players **** but the Fabregas criticism is just mind boggling. The kid carried this freaking team on his back this past season. Was awesome for Spain, didn't have a single minute of rest last year, got injured (surprise), has been a little off at the beginning due(btw, still one of the better players on a poor team) to his injury so it's ok to slag him? What gives? I'll never understand some fans.
ricky1985
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Re: Arsenal vs FC Dynamo Kyiv, Tuesday Nov 25th 7:45 GMT
Do me a favour.
He went up in my estimation tonight, because of how he reacted after he made the save. Shouting and bollocking his defenders.
The save itself was nothing spectacular, and it was about the only thing he had to do all night. He came out well and made a good save. It doesnt change the fact that he cant command his area. It doesnt change the fact he cant make the sort of saves only world class keepers can make. It doesnt change the fact he usually crumbles under pressure.
He is a good keeper, but not a top keeper. Tonight doesnt change that fact.
Lukazan said:
Do me a favour.
He went up in my estimation tonight, because of how he reacted after he made the save. Shouting and bollocking his defenders.
The save itself was nothing spectacular, and it was about the only thing he had to do all night. He came out well and made a good save. It doesnt change the fact that he cant command his area. It doesnt change the fact he cant make the sort of saves only world class keepers can make. It doesnt change the fact he usually crumbles under pressure.
He is a good keeper, but not a top keeper. Tonight doesnt change that fact.
Lukazan
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Re: Arsenal vs FC Dynamo Kyiv, Tuesday Nov 25th 7:45 GMT
Answer me this: If Almunia hadn't of saved that would we have won the game? The answer is simply no. It was a guilt-edged chance and Almunia stopped what looked like a certain goal. It's a match winning save. The fact Almunia had nothing to do all game, as you said yourself, only makes it a better save.
Anyways, where did I say it made Almunia a top goalkeeper? Yeah, right, I didn't. I simply said it was a match winning save (which it was), that people say he doesn't make those (true again) and that he deserves praise (which he does).
So do yourself a favour.
Answer me this: If Almunia hadn't of saved that would we have won the game? The answer is simply no. It was a guilt-edged chance and Almunia stopped what looked like a certain goal. It's a match winning save. The fact Almunia had nothing to do all game, as you said yourself, only makes it a better save.
Anyways, where did I say it made Almunia a top goalkeeper? Yeah, right, I didn't. I simply said it was a match winning save (which it was), that people say he doesn't make those (true again) and that he deserves praise (which he does).
So do yourself a favour.
qs
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Re: Arsenal vs FC Dynamo Kyiv, Tuesday Nov 25th 7:45 GMT
He's actually not too bad on the right. ALot better than he is on the left anyway. Mainly because his delivery is good off his right boot. HE's not a defensive mid either. And he's over used for his current level of development. Theo is in the same boat. You look at United and how they protect Anderson and Nani, thats how we should be using Theo and Denilson. Not throwing them in at the deep end in the hopes they turn into a Cesc type character.
ricky1985 said:
He's actually not too bad on the right. ALot better than he is on the left anyway. Mainly because his delivery is good off his right boot. HE's not a defensive mid either. And he's over used for his current level of development. Theo is in the same boat. You look at United and how they protect Anderson and Nani, thats how we should be using Theo and Denilson. Not throwing them in at the deep end in the hopes they turn into a Cesc type character.
Feanor
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Re: Arsenal vs FC Dynamo Kyiv, Tuesday Nov 25th 7:45 GMT
Guys, Almunia is not our problem. He's not the best but he's not that bad, he's a solid keeper nothing spectacular. On the list of things that need to be fixed on this team, Big Al is not top of the heap, sorry.
Guys, Almunia is not our problem. He's not the best but he's not that bad, he's a solid keeper nothing spectacular. On the list of things that need to be fixed on this team, Big Al is not top of the heap, sorry.
ricky1985
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Re: Arsenal vs FC Dynamo Kyiv, Tuesday Nov 25th 7:45 GMT
One of the main criticisms Almunia's detractors level at him is that he cant make top drawer saves, the kind Casillas, Buffon and so on make. You are claiming that to be a false stament based on his save tonight, which is rubbish because it was a routine save, made at a crucial time.
Yes it was a match winning save in the sense that if they had scored there we almost certainly wouldnt have won tonight. But are you honestly trying to tell me that virtually every keeper in the Premiership wouldnt save that shot 99 times out of 100?
One of the main criticisms Almunia's detractors level at him is that he cant make top drawer saves, the kind Casillas, Buffon and so on make. You are claiming that to be a false stament based on his save tonight, which is rubbish because it was a routine save, made at a crucial time.
Yes it was a match winning save in the sense that if they had scored there we almost certainly wouldnt have won tonight. But are you honestly trying to tell me that virtually every keeper in the Premiership wouldnt save that shot 99 times out of 100?
Lukazan
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Re: Arsenal vs FC Dynamo Kyiv, Tuesday Nov 25th 7:45 GMT
It was a match winning save. That is all there is to it.
It was a match winning save. That is all there is to it.
lagos
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Re: Arsenal vs FC Dynamo Kyiv, Tuesday Nov 25th 7:45 GMT
I endorse that view
Feanor said:
I endorse that view
ricky1985
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Re: Arsenal vs FC Dynamo Kyiv, Tuesday Nov 25th 7:45 GMT
I agree entirely. All I was taking issue with was the claim that he made a top save tonight. Because he didnt, it was decent save, not the kind that Almunia's critics say he cant make.
I mistakenly thought Lukazan was implying that he had somehow proved he was top keeper on the back of that save.
I aplologise for misunderstanding on that aspect Luk.
Feanor said:
I agree entirely. All I was taking issue with was the claim that he made a top save tonight. Because he didnt, it was decent save, not the kind that Almunia's critics say he cant make.
I mistakenly thought Lukazan was implying that he had somehow proved he was top keeper on the back of that save.
I aplologise for misunderstanding on that aspect Luk.
Lukazan
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Re: Arsenal vs FC Dynamo Kyiv, Tuesday Nov 25th 7:45 GMT
What I liked about Wilshere's cameo tonight is that he made his presence known. He offered us something right away and I also liked the way he kept the ball at the right time but also released it at the right time too.
Too many of our players dwell and hang on to the ball for far too long when the chance is there to break.
Little bits here and there outside the CC for Wilshere is the way to go I reckon. He's not ready to start in my opinion but can be effective off the bench.
What I liked about Wilshere's cameo tonight is that he made his presence known. He offered us something right away and I also liked the way he kept the ball at the right time but also released it at the right time too.
Too many of our players dwell and hang on to the ball for far too long when the chance is there to break.
Little bits here and there outside the CC for Wilshere is the way to go I reckon. He's not ready to start in my opinion but can be effective off the bench.
Klaus Daimler
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Re: Arsenal vs FC Dynamo Kyiv, Tuesday Nov 25th 7:45 GMT
I don't feel like speculating in how much that save could mean to our season (can anyone imagine what would have happened with the morale in the team if we'd lost this one? I don't even wanna think about it), but it was a great piece of goalkeeping. Almunia saves those kind of balls a lot, he's that kind of keeper. He ****ed up bad twice this season - once against Sp**s and once against Stoke. Other than that he's been solid and one of our best performers. Which admittedly doesn't say much given how the season has looked, but still. He's saved us in a lot of crucial moments. West Ham and Fenerbahce are other games that springs to mind.
I don't feel like speculating in how much that save could mean to our season (can anyone imagine what would have happened with the morale in the team if we'd lost this one? I don't even wanna think about it), but it was a great piece of goalkeeping. Almunia saves those kind of balls a lot, he's that kind of keeper. He ****ed up bad twice this season - once against Sp**s and once against Stoke. Other than that he's been solid and one of our best performers. Which admittedly doesn't say much given how the season has looked, but still. He's saved us in a lot of crucial moments. West Ham and Fenerbahce are other games that springs to mind.
