carlito'sway
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That Mike Dean is still a referee is shocking.
There simply aren't a lot of great, young English managers. There's Eddie How and Sean Dyche, but beyond that it isn't too exciting. Guys like Pulis, Allardyce, Pardew, Moyes, etc., know how to keep a side in the Premier League generally, but are hardly going to move the team up beyond that.Laughable stuff from Merse and co again on Sky Sports. So this "geezer" brought Estoril into the Portuguese first division and qualified for Europe in their first season before losing their best players, rebuilding and qualifying again. They're now a solid established mid table team in the Liga NOS. Then he went to Sporting and won the Taca de Portugal which was their first trophy in years and set the team up for Jorge Jesus to deliver their best league campaign in which they would have been deserved winners. After that he broke records at Olympiakos and showed they could compete in the Champions League when beating us a couple of years ago. And they're saying he should prove himself in the Championship before being offered a job in the PL? Nonsense.
Then they blame foreign managers for taking jobs off young English coaches. How about blame the clubs that keep appointing rubbish managers like Allardyce, Pardew, Sherwood and the likes? They are no more than short term fixes to survive relegation before they stall and get sacked a year or 2 later. None of them have shown the ability to develop a club and take them forward but keep getting jobs. Blame the clubs for appointing rubbish like them.
Laughable stuff from Merse and co again on Sky Sports. So this "geezer" brought Estoril into the Portuguese first division and qualified for Europe in their first season before losing their best players, rebuilding and qualifying again. They're now a solid established mid table team in the Liga NOS. Then he went to Sporting and won the Taca de Portugal which was their first trophy in years and set the team up for Jorge Jesus to deliver their best league campaign in which they would have been deserved winners. After that he broke records at Olympiakos and showed they could compete in the Champions League when beating us a couple of years ago. And they're saying he should prove himself in the Championship before being offered a job in the PL? Nonsense.
Then they blame foreign managers for taking jobs off young English coaches. How about blame the clubs that keep appointing rubbish managers like Allardyce, Pardew, Sherwood and the likes? They are no more than short term fixes to survive relegation before they stall and get sacked a year or 2 later. None of them have shown the ability to develop a club and take them forward but keep getting jobs. Blame the clubs for appointing rubbish like them.
As much as I'd like to have a good laugh at Paul Merson, he is right to an extent, what does he know about the premier league? That's not to suggest he's a bad manager though, but it's a completely different ball game to what foreigners expect. Even Guardiola said that the other day.
I don't know about what this geezer did in Portugal, but winning at Olympiakos in a rigged league isn't an achievement. When their budget is 10 tiers above the second placed team, and they openly rig it, it's not an achievement. Would I give the Hull job to an unproved Englishman? **** no. But I also agree to an extent that British managers aren't really given much of a shot anymore. They should be earning their badges and progressing on the right level just like everyone else in Europe. People should be starting on the lower levels, regardless of nationality.
It's easy to be like "hur dur English managers are crap, they'd be leading top teams if they were any good" but that's not how it works. The premier league environment isn't right for British managers or start up managers of any nationality.
There is a level of manager coming in from abroad and getting chances that an English manager putting his work in, isn't.
Bob Bradley for example. There are managers in the lower leagues better than Bradley.
In other countries you feel there is still an emphasis on recruiting one of your own, Spain, Italy, Germany etc.
England is maybe one of the first big leagues where a foreigner is looked at before a Brit. I'm not sure thats only because there is a lack of decent young managers.
15 years ago, Everton would've gone down the leagues and hired David Moyes. Today Everton only wanted to hire a certain type of manager, a Brit from the lower leagues didn't fit into that.
Not that Merson is talking about a Koeman anyway.
In his first press conference he spoke about learning English while in Greece because his goal was to manage in the Premier League. That was over a year ago so it's likely he's invested some time in researching the league and you're just as bad as Merse and Thompson labeling him like that. Plenty of managers fail at dominant clubs however Silva took them to a new level breaking records.
Silva started in the second division in Portugal so he's already experienced the lower levels of football and built his career from there. How is a manager who brought Estoril to the first division and helped them qualify for Europe twice, successful at two clubs much bigger than Hull City unproven? Hull should be honoured that a manager with a CV like that is now their manager. What English manager available could boast that pedigree?
You can't blame Hull for not giving English coaches a chance. They tried with Bruce and he couldn't establish them in the Premier League, neither could Phelan. Can't blame them now for going for a foreign coach.
If young English coaches aren't getting a chance the blame should be put on stale managers like Allardyce, Moyes and Pardew who clearly are inept at developing a club and taking them forward in the current climate yet keep getting jobs for a year or 2 before getting the sack. These guys aren't up to managing in the Premier League and are responsible for taking up jobs from young English managers coaching in the Championship, not highly proven European managers like Silva.
Don't make it out like the Premier League is special. No top league is easy for any manager to start in. Silva proved himself at the lower levels before two successful stints at big European clubs and is well qualified to manage in the Premier League at this stage.