I once sent a topic 'When Vieira retires...' here but it was locked. there were around 2 posts there: 1 was from Mad Jens i think, he said Vieira wasn't going to retire in 5,6 years so worry about it later 2 was a post from someone, he agreed with Jens but stated that he would like to see Owen Hargreaves in Arsenal. 3 was a post from admin to tell that the topic was locked. ...so now the subject changes to 'If Vieira leaves...' Owen Hargreaves is still my 1st choice. haven't seen Flamini play so cant comment on him.