Jurgen Klopp's Liverpool: Champions Elect?

Discussion in 'Football Talk' started by KMC, Nov 7, 2013.


Would you prefer Liverpool winning the league as opposed to Man City?

  1. Yes

  2. No

  1. Mark Tobias

    Mark Tobias Mr. Agreeable

    I think you're being a bit optimistic if you think them missing out on the title this season is going to ruin them as a club... They've gone 30 years without the title and they still attract decent players and have an absolutely massive global fanbase.
    We've achieved far more than they have in recent years yet our club has a negative atmosphere 80% of the time and their fanbase is well known for the "it's our year" line...
    In terms of players, they still bring in big names. They just signed arguably the best CB in world football on the back of how many title-less seasons.. Yes they lost Coutinho and Suarez but even United in their prime were losing their big players to those clubs. Winning titles did nothing to sway that

    I think you probably have better reasoning. If so, I'm all ears.
  2. PoleInGoal

    PoleInGoal Active Member

    Anyone who wants Liverpool to win the league clearly doesn't personally know any Liverpool fans.

    One of my best mates who usually doesn't really follow football has been texting me every Liverpool match since November just because they're winning a lot this season. It's infuriating and if they win the league then the "fans" will come crawling out the woodwork in their millions. It will be unbearable.
  3. kraphtous

    kraphtous Unai Enemy

    I know plenty of Liverpool fans personally, they are pretty much like we are -- starved for success. If we ever become good again, people are going to say the same for us.
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  4. Tourbillion

    Tourbillion Well-Known Member

    Liverpool cannot win the league. Just no.
  5. DasBootist

    DasBootist Well-Known Member

    Please don't relate Liverpool supporters to gooners again. One major difference between us and them is we don't tend to have that charming self-entitlement they have.
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  6. kraphtous

    kraphtous Unai Enemy

    We're the same, we just haven't had any chance to show it recently. Even now you can see the arrogance of Arsenal fans trying to downplay the success of Liverpool/Spurs because of a few FA Cup wins, just imagine how insufferable the same people would be if we actually challenged for the league.

    We're the same, both sets of fans haven't had any real success for a long time despite being fans of massive clubs and it's really highlighted when these teams get good.
  7. DasBootist

    DasBootist Well-Known Member

    You and Makingtrax are forcing me to explain quite basic principles, but I have a week off from work so I'll indulge you. I live and work in London where I encounter Arsenal supporters on a daily basis. Not a single one has downplayed the non-existent success of said teams because of a few FA cups (an actual trophy).

    The vast majority are a humble lot, which goes against your initial post to which I replied.
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  8. kraphtous

    kraphtous Unai Enemy

    Thanks for proving my point :lol:
  9. American_Gooner

    American_Gooner Not actually American. Unless Di Marzio says so. Moderator

    It took them years to recover from losing Suarez, Sterling and essentially Strurridge. Same thing happened years before when Alonso, Mascherano and Torres left, they dropped down from consistent top 4 to finishing below Everton. Just look at Chelsea after selling Costa and Courtois, with Terry, Matic and Fabregas declining. They're not the same club, likely to finish 5th and possibly losing their last two WC players in Hazard/Kante. If that happens they'll be set to enter a lean period.
  10. Mark Tobias

    Mark Tobias Mr. Agreeable

    Years to recover from Suarez? You trying to make it seem like longer ago? They challenged for the league that season, lost Suarez and now just on four years later are challenging again... Think you are severely underestimating them. Less than half a decade to recover from a massive loss without the help of a sugar Daddy... While United, City and Chelsea spend more and more and more

    Also, Chelsea are a different dog. For me the main difference is the fact that Chelsea and City seem to heavily rely on money to get them back up there while Liverpool have been shrewd in every aspect from managerial appointments to players in the last half a decade. Not that they have not spent but where they spend they do so wisely.

    Another poster mentioned, too, that we're basically in desperate need of emulating Liverpool if we want to compete and that is why I see it as a win for us. Your points are fair but I don't see how City winning wouldn't equally hurt us. It solidifies them as a big club further and they will have more license to go out and spend again as their squad ages.
    Either way a brand is being strengthened. I prefer the one still trying to hold onto football's important values
  11. American_Gooner

    American_Gooner Not actually American. Unless Di Marzio says so. Moderator

    :lol: so you agree, it took years to recover to get back to that level
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  12. Mark Tobias

    Mark Tobias Mr. Agreeable

    What absolute rubbish.
    Liverpool fans are a plenty. They have loyalty at the very least. Out of the english clubs they're likely the second most supported in the league, Globally speaking.
    My brother has never seen them win the league but he has every shirt they've had in his lifetime and very seldom misses a game. Almost every Liverpool fan I have ever met in this country is that way. Loyal beyond belief and always loud with the typical "It's ours this year" at the beginning of every season. They don't need to come out of the woodwork. They're ever present and it is a testament to their club and it's history.

    City fans on the other hand... Own 3 shirts; the earliest being 2011. None of them know who Shaun Wright-Phillips is or that Anelka once featured for them.
    Chelsea fans are similar. Can't find one who actually knew they were a London club before Abrohomovic and they fade in and out of obscurity depending on their league position.
    Heck even United fans have dwindled in number in the last half decade.

    None of that is true for Liverpool fans.
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  13. Mark Tobias

    Mark Tobias Mr. Agreeable

    It just appeared as if you were trying to make it seem like a long time but in fact the 4 years is nothing when you consider how big a player he was for them.
    I also don't buy this notion that landing up 2nd by a fine margin would devastate their status. If anything players will be able to be fed the "you're the final piece of our puzzle" hogwash that Wenger tried to feed some of our signings...

    I honestly thought when they lost Coutinho they'd be down and out for a few more years but clearly they know how to handle big losses there. Got to say that a decade ago I was not at all envious but right now I am outright jealous of their league position, their recruitment techniques and the way they are handling themselves in spite of not spending quite as much as their main rivals (of which we are no longer one)...
  14. krackpot

    krackpot Well-Known Member

    Coutinho was **** too, so there's that.
    sorry for jumping in,but I agree with this. Professional players would still be tempted by a team which regularly comes 2nd or 3rd. Purely for money matters and also that they can leave for a bigger club, which is what Coutinho did.
  15. American_Gooner

    American_Gooner Not actually American. Unless Di Marzio says so. Moderator

    4 years is a long time in football, this time 4 years ago we were about to embark on a run of title winning league form. Today we're in a position where most people think we're finishing 6th.
    Of course bottling the league from the position they were in would hurt them. They were undefeated until January, could've gone 7 points clear at the start of February so to not win the league from that position a year after losing the CL final would hurt. Ask Fabregas, Nasri and RVP what it feels like to be so close to winning without actually doing it. When the big guns come for you, it's a lot easier to have your head turned when you've gone trophyless for so long.
  16. Mark Tobias

    Mark Tobias Mr. Agreeable

    Um what exactly did these players almost win when they were here?
    They left because we were miles off not because we missed it by a slither.
  17. PoleInGoal

    PoleInGoal Active Member

    My post probably came across wrong.

    I certainly wouldn't begrudge these kinds of fans who are ever present and always backing their team, but more the ones who don't seem to care about them until they are about to win something. E.g. the bloke I spoke about in my post was exactly the same in the season they bottled the league, and as soon as that happened he didn't talk about football until this season.

    I know every club has fairweather fans, but from my experience Liverpool has many more of them than other clubs. I notice when they are doing well how many people (who usually don't care about football) start piping up about being Liverpool fans, only to vanish again when things aren't going well. I haven't experienced this with clubs like City or Chelsea
  18. Mark Tobias

    Mark Tobias Mr. Agreeable

    Okay let me just apologise for my response as well. We were both being completely subjective. Myself especially because I am a bit more attached to Pool through my bro plus the club has extensive history with South Africa ('Kop end' named after Spioenkop dam etc)

    Clearly there are differences around the world in the way fans are. I suspect certain cultural differences may even play a part.

    From my side I have only experienced loyal liverpool fans who are constantly deluded that they're winning the season every season:lol: Even when they suck.

    Fairweather fans here are United. Since Fergie left I can honestly say the number of United shirts around has more than halved.
    Since City first won the league I have met 4 City fans... THERE WERE NONE BEFORE THAT;)

    But as I say. It can and almost certainly is very different in other countries so I do apologise for that snotty reply.
  19. American_Gooner

    American_Gooner Not actually American. Unless Di Marzio says so. Moderator

    What are you on about? Between Fabregas and RVP first, then Nasri from 2008 onwards:
    05/06 lost CL final
    06/07 lost LC final
    07/08 lost PL title by 4 points
    07/08 lost LC semi-final
    08/09 lost FA Cup semi-final
    08/09 lost CL semi-final
    09/10 lost the PL title despite being in the race come April:
    10/11 lost the LC final
    10/11 lost the PL after losing a 1-0 lead over Liverpool in injury time then a 3-1 lead over Spurs a few days later. Otherwise, we'd have been 2 points off with just 5 games left and United still to play at home:

    To say that this group of players didn't have any close calls with winning trophies is laughable
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  20. Mark Tobias

    Mark Tobias Mr. Agreeable

    05/06 lost CL final (Basically the Invincibles squad, no Nasri)
    06/07 lost LC final (The league cup is suddenly a major title)
    07/08 lost PL title by 4 points (And landed up third so we didn't just miss it we needed to better TWO TEAMS)
    07/08 lost LC semi-final (See above)
    08/09 lost FA Cup semi-final (A semi final, really. Reading have made a semi in the FA fairly recently)
    08/09 lost CL semi-final (This was heart breaking. And they would have felt that)
    09/10 lost the PL title despite being in the race come April: (Title winners don't bottle it like that and finish 11 points off the top.)
    10/11 lost the LC final (I'll admit this hurt and we looked to be turning a corner)
    10/11 lost the PL (We missed the title by 12 points...)

    All of our supposed title races never felt as close as Pool are now or even were with Suarez... Apart from 07/08 which I feel we were really hard done by. We mock spurs for capitulating in many a season but that is exactly what that team of ours did year after year.. They may have had their heads turned. I can't deny that but it wasn't because we had a brilliant plan and were unlucky. We had bang average squads playing with those guys and a very good manager to mask the cracks.

    Pool seem to have a very good squad with a very good manager.

    Incidentally, Pool won the CL the year after we had that sh!t night in Paris. Look how long it took them to even get back to being anything.
    Leicester winning the league did nothing for them to hold onto players.

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