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Mesut Özil: 2019/20 Performances

Discussion in 'Arsenal Talk' started by razörist, Aug 9, 2019.

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Why Isn't Özil Playing?

  1. Simple. Isn’t played for tactical reasons.

    8.5%
  2. Simple. Isn’t played because he isn’t good enough

    27.9%
  3. Falling out with Arteta for some reason

    12.4%
  4. Being frozen out in an effort to get him to leave. Arteta’s hands are tied

    31.8%
  5. Because he didn't take a pay-cut

    16.3%
  6. Personal reasons

    3.1%
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  1. krackpot

    krackpot Established Member

    it's not about who contributed more, the whole thing is about completely discrediting an important team member just because he's no longer at his best.

    Some of these posters need to man up and admit their dislike of Özil. I'm fine if you don't like him or anyone else.

    Also, I bet you that we wouldn't be having this conversation if he hadn't antagonized both China and Germany.
     
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  2. Macho

    Macho Well-Known Member Trusted

    He was one of my favourite players in the world before he joined. It was impossible to not grow up knowing Wenger’s footballing philosophies and not day dream how he would be like at Arsenal. I was also one of the fans that pushed for an extension.

    He’s just not good anymore, I’d rather he was. He was given 2 chances this season with all the managers we’ve had and he still couldn’t be f*cked.

    Nothing personal on my side I don’t even get that mad at him tbh, his blind fanbase though..
     
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  3. Trilly

    Trilly The John Sauce Of Ilford Trusted

    I keep leaning towards there being something wrong with him that we don't know of yet just because I can't imagine this conversation.

    Arteta: Mesut I'm going to need you to remain disciplined, play your role for us and put in the yards for us where possible
    Mesut: No, I don't want to do that.

    Say what you want about him but he's always wanted to play, always been annoyed when getting subbed off. Whole thing is fishy.

    The Amy Lawrence article says that he's sometimes blocked from returning to full training despite feeling fine. Very confusing. He would be good coming off the bench at least, somebody you can bring on to retain the ball and see narrow games out. Just can't get over how we don't use him at all.
     
  4. Pop Tart

    Pop Tart Well-Known Member

    Mesut is hardly a impact player when the chips are down.
     
  5. Football Manager

    Football Manager Copy & Paste Merchant

    No manager would be happy to create underload or being overload by the opponent, this is regardless of players quality.

    The Cardiff manager will definitely try to find ways to overload in attack and prevent being overload in defence. Whether he fails to do it is another question. Whether their players are incapable to execute the plan is also another question.

    You always want to create overload, that gives you numerical advantage. No manager will go into a match: “Let’s create an underload, because our players are better.” No.
    That has nothing to do with players quality, it’s just tactical principles.
     
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  6. Trilly

    Trilly The John Sauce Of Ilford Trusted

    That's not what I said.
     
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  7. Pop Tart

    Pop Tart Well-Known Member

    Well I still not bring him on as a sub given what you said. He has no passion anymore. Rather bring willock on etc
     
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  8. Trilly

    Trilly The John Sauce Of Ilford Trusted

    cool
     
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  9. Pop Tart

    Pop Tart Well-Known Member

    How is he being a dick when when we all can see it. Smacks me of knowing what he is doing. He on paper has talent and a lot to still offer but does not give two ****s about ambition ,fair enough but do that at fenabache not here
     
  10. Riou

    Riou Non-Stop Nostalgia

    Some players hit that wall sooner that others, but everyone hits that wall where their mentality starts to drop at some point...Mes has hit his it seems.

    Özil is 32, won the World Cup, played for Real and Arsenal...he knows his next career move will be a steep drop in quality, probably is a bit jaded at this stage and isn't overly motivated by what he can achieve anymore...I imagine he is just squeezing all the money he can out of this deal and enjoying London as long as he can, he is entitled to do that.

    He will be gone by next summer anyway.
     
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  11. GoonerJay24

    GoonerJay24 Well-Known Member

    Not with instructions to play with an underload, but to express themselves freely without detailed tactics
     
  12. Oxeki

    Oxeki New Threads, Old Tweets

    You can't express yourself in modern Football. Everything move on the pitch is directed by the coach and pre-planned. That was Wenger's biggest fault. Giving our players tactical freedom and putting so much trust on their technical ability. When we came up against a well drilled team, we were always exposed.
     
    Last edited: Aug 11, 2020
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  13. GoonerJay24

    GoonerJay24 Well-Known Member

    This is wrong; the top technical players can still play with that freedom. Wenger was unlucky due to the number of injuries and had players with low defensive workrate.
     
  14. Oxeki

    Oxeki New Threads, Old Tweets

    But you can't really blame Raul for Özil's mental issues. I know the club really shot itself in the foot during the contract negotiations but even they couldn't have foreseen that he was going to down tools. The club couldn't have predicted that he will give up at 29
     
  15. Elwood

    Elwood Active Member

    Yeah, Özil's career numbers before Arsenal are a myth. /s

    He's very limited. He didn't produce what was needed from him, his career here wasn't what we'd hoped for. I belive he should've done better. You're right about that.

    However, he was the best at what he did. Number 1 in the world, not 2 or 3 or whatever. The best. That's why he's been given excuses, and why people were willing to see a lot of changes to accommodate him.
    When was the last time we had a player that was no1 at something?

    Accommodating Özil was definitely worth trying, and i don't believe how anyone can think otherwise, given his talent and our situation at the time.

    Unfortunatelly, it didn't work out, and i think it's both Özil's and the club's fault. He should've done much better, especially later on, but the team could've been stronger while he was still at it.
     
  16. GDeep™

    GDeep™ Dissociating

    When did he down tools? What mental issues? He was playing when Arteta arrived before Covid.
     
  17. Jury

    Jury Mission Accomplished

    He definitely played his part because we'd have lost those games with ten men. I wouldn't understate his contribution like I would understate anybody's who played and help get us over the line, but then saying the FA cups are his legacy would also be a bit much--again, just like it would be even if someone said they were Ramsey's legacy, despite his heroics in the competition. It's always a team game.
     
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  18. Riou

    Riou Non-Stop Nostalgia

    I don't blame the club or Özil...we were losing Sanchez to Yanited of all teams, Mes was playing very well at that point, if we announced Özil's contract wasn't being renewed and he was leaving at the end of the year...would have been terrible for the club from a reputation point of view.
     
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  19. Oxeki

    Oxeki New Threads, Old Tweets

    The best in a position that was basically extinct
     
  20. GDeep™

    GDeep™ Dissociating

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