BigPoppaPump
Reeling from Laca & Kos nightmares
I think Auba is a great player but he is a clown, he could have been elite if he had a better mentality.Looks like it. Also:
Maybe publicly dropping him isn't the best way to go
I think Auba is a great player but he is a clown, he could have been elite if he had a better mentality.Looks like it. Also:
Maybe publicly dropping him isn't the best way to go
Once again: We want him to see his own responsibility. I would say that the Villarreal fiasco is at least 99,9% on him for example but he refuse to see that.
Arteta has horribly mismanaged this squad, and now he's throwing the players under the bus instead of taking responsibility for his own failure.It is but I don’t see how that relevant not wanting a better squad.
Most on here have said the same but when our manager does it’s suddenly wrong? Arteta wanting to rip the squad apart should be one of his pros on a pile of cons.
I think Auba is a great player but he is a clown, he could have been elite if he had a better mentality.
Looks like it. Also:
Maybe publicly dropping him isn't the best way to go
The red is the trend line and shows that overall in totality over those periods we haven't progressed at all. Literally. The line is virtually static. In terms of the individual points/phases you can clearly see that:
- The the good Dec-Jan run deviates from the linear trend line by far the furthest, cementing my point that it was purple patch, an outlier. Not indicative of long terms success/performances/progression.
- The current 13 game run we're on is actually worse PPM than what Arteta was manging last season, so currently on a trend of declining even based on last season
- The current 13 game is faaaaaaaaar closer form wise to the first abject 14 games of this season then it is the Dec-Jan run (it also appears to closer than Arteta's initial 20 games which is even more distressing). Again supporting my point that whilst I concede those 14 games were a mild outlier themselves, they are still overall a fairly close representation of our true form and were indicative of where we'd end up performing going forward.
Again, I use xPTS because it's a better indicator of actual performance level. Through the Everton game, from the first time ESR was in the XI, we had a half-season sample of 32 pt pace and a 31.88 xPTS. I remind you about what this argument was about: Arteta vs. Em*ry. You claimed that it was stupid and incoherent to rate Arteta more than Em*ry, I put my arguments forth for why it wasn't. As stated, Em*ry never achieved that kind of performance level (29.53 xPTS in first 19 games, 29.44 xPTS in second half...we need not talk about his second season) even in a weaker league environment, even if Arteta's level still isn't really that inspiring.We're actually exceeding your coveted xPTS since Dec 26. We've been poor but we're still doing better these random model thinks your so enamoured with think we should be, that's damning.
As I've said in another post, a manager can not have "promise" or "potential". He's not teenager winger that you can play in dead rubber games, or give 10 minute cameos to or send out on loan to get experience and develop. He's a consistent major factor, arguably the major factor, that's there 24/7. If a young CB was "promising" but consistently making mistakes game after game and costing us goals and points would you argue that we should keep playing him? No of course not. So why should a manager be allowed to consistently cost us points game after game? It's beyond irrational and frankly an extremely bizarre concept.
Again, this just isn't true, and your desire to twist this narrative by painting me as cultish and unreasonable, (while even going so far as to invent stats as you did with fbref) when that in fact applies more to your position, is telling.You're adulation for Arteta juxtapositioned against you seething hatred for Emery despite Emery doing significantly better than Arteta currently was/is without question cultish and massively unreasonable.
What are you on about You were still vehemently defending Arteta in our discussion even after the 1st leg defeat. Their was no let up or adjustment of your stances, the posts are there to prove it. You've now conceded it's "obvious" Arteta isn't the right man for the job, after that 0-0 draw. So yes it was formed on the basis of ONE games.
I addressed all these points pathetic points numerous. It's braindead irrationality to keep blaming Emery for Arteta's poor performances when Arteta himself is DOING WORSE than when he started.
I am critical of both. Consistently. Another thing is having some reason and analysis and realising that Arteta is still better than Em*ry, and that certain posts (such as those that claim that Arteta is even worse than Em*ry) are hyperbolic and nonsensical, and pay no attention to any context or analysis whatsoever.No, I primarily said it was stupid to be critical of Emery but not Arteta.
That "new evidence" being 1 game. Lmao. You contradict and refute yourself in your own post.
lmao this is genuinely Mourinho-esque
*sigh*
This mindset worries me. Arteta needs some serious introspection, I'm not seeing the honest desire from him to get the most out of what he has here - that's what truly makes a great manager imo.
He's moving like @Football Manager in disguise
Football manager / player in backing himself shocker. I suppose Arteta should just come out and say he is a **** manager, Elneny should say he is a **** passer, Ceballos should say he is a brainless, slow piece of ****, etc.Even ignoring that he’s the biggest problem here, he’s not even close to getting the best out of this squad. He’s going to keep chatting **** every week now isn’t he.
Football manager / player in backing himself shocker. I suppose Arteta should just come out and say he is a **** manager, Elneny should say he is a **** passer, Ceballos should say he is a brainless, slow piece of ****, etc.
If you guys get annoyed by seeing footballers and managers back themselves--something absolutely requisite for their job--I suggest not reading their quotes on things.
It's like when people got mad at everything Arsène said and called him delusional and clueless every time a quote came out. While that may have been true to a certain extent, it is a question of seriously misdirected venom. That needs to go to the decision makers who put and keep them in their jobs. Them backing themselves is just like a bear ****ting in the woods.
He said: "They are good players. I have respect for the guys, so why would I say the guys are not good?
"So I don't understand the lack of respect for the professionals when they have been amazing players, and [people saying] they are not good enough for me. Maybe I am not good enough for them.
"They are Manchester City players, top players. They have a lot of quality. They have shown that many times in the past and this season."
"It is the first time I have been in this situation and I want to handle it, but I am not going to say my players are no good," he said.
"I want to be top but we are not."
How do you assess the squad that you're inheriting here at Liverpool?
It's good, it's good. I'm here because I believe in the potential of the team. If Liverpool ask me and I see the team and think 'oh my God'... no, no, no. In this moment, we are not the best team in the world - who cares? Who wants to be the best team in the world today? We want to be the best team tomorrow or another day. That's all. What I saw from outside is absolutely OK. I saw some good matches and some not so good but it's normal in football you have some problems, you have to solve them. The important thing is we have speed, we have technical skills, we have tactical skills, we have good defenders, good midfielders, good strikers, wingers. Now we have to see who is fit for the first game against Tottenham and then we have to make a team for this game, then we can start. I'm not a dream man, I don't want to have Cristiano [Ronaldo] or Lionel [Messi] and all these players in one team. I want these guys [the current squad], it was a decision for these guys. Now we start working.
The 49-year-old is thoroughly enthused by overseeing his first full campaign at the club, his effervescence activated by what he believes the squad are capable of. “The skills and the character of my players - I really, really like it,” Klopp tells Goal in an exclusive interview as he contemplates the 2016-17 season. “They want to learn, they want to improve, they want to work together, they believe in what we are doing, and I am lucky to have this.”
“We’ve already had a few good moments,” Klopp says. “I’ve seen my players in some games where I’ve thought: ‘Oooof!’
“There were days last season that no-one would have been able to play against us, where nobody would have liked to play against us.”
He's not backing himself though, he's throwing others under the bus to make excuses for himself.
People always love bringing up the Pep and Klopp comparisons, so here..
Pep during his disappointing run in his first season:
Klopp:
Both went on to make big changes to those squads, but never once did they try to shift the blame away from themselves onto the squad or other things. In fact I can't think of one instance where a manager publicly starts moaning about his squad end up well.
The alarm bell for many managers — including Arteta’s predecessor and recent Europa League conqueror, Unai Emery — is losing the support of the dressing room. It has not sounded yet: Arteta still retains support from the majority of the squad. Certain individuals have even sought assurances that the Spaniard would be kept on before entering into negotiations on a new contract.
To the surprise and occasional consternation of frustrated entourages and families, many players remain loyal to the manager and continue to hold him in high regard, despite results, including the deflating way they were knocked out of the Europa League semi-final against Emery’s Villarreal.
Some have described Arteta as being able to foster a “cult-like” devotion from certain sections of the squad.
It's weird with him, there's times when it looks like the only thing he does well is score but then there's other times when he's almost unplayable when he's really on it. I watched his highlights from our win in Valencia under Emery and he was out of this world, played more wide than central but honestly looked Ronaldo level. Similar to our FA Cup run last year where he beat Chelsea and City almost on his own from an attacking point of view.
Other times it's almost like he's just strolling around sulking. I think if things aren't going his way and the team is playing really bad then he's next to useless in general play. But if the team is playing well then he seems to really thrive and go up a few levels. In essence what Tuchel is saying is right. Put him in City or Chelsea and he'd be putting up crazy numbers.
What’s it say about Bruno chief? Wants to leave be Arteta is a massive loser?