Non-Arsenal Transfers Thread: Summer 2019

[Flying Okapis]

Don't worry @Flying Okapis, they're not going for Chukwueze...just Fernandes and Joao Felix ops:

Such a soulless club, hope them and PSG never win the CL.

 

[Flying Okapis]

I've said it before. There are 360 clubs in the top 8 levels of English football that aspire to finishing where Arsenal finished last season. We're pretty spoiled when you think about it.

Oh definitely, crazy when you think about how many of the 360 never win a trophy and how the English top competitions are just passed around the same clubs.

 

[Slartibartfast]

Oh definitely, crazy when you think about how many of the 360 never win a trophy and how the English top competitions are just passed around the same clubs.

Sometimes I watch games involving mid table or lower clubs (or, on occasion, clubs in lower divisions) and can't help but admire the passion those fans have for their team, even though they're probably never competing for a title or even a trophy. I see fans in the stands who at least appear as though they're there every week to support their local team. That's fascinating to me because in the United States you don't really have a local team unless you live in or around a big city. College sports play the same role here that local football clubs do across England and other countries. That's where the true passion is.

I'm not a passionate fan. I haven't really been passionate about a team since I grew up a crazy Pittsburgh Pirates fan in the 1960s and 70s. I've never been one to make noise at games or get excited watching them. I might get a little rush when Arsenal scores a goal and feel happy when they win; or if they lose (especially in a frustrating manner) I usually compartmentalize and try not to think about it the rest of the day (or even for a few days). It keeps me from aggravating about it too much and I move on. I suppose that's why truly passionate fans of teams that aren't great behemoths of their sport fascinate me. But it's also more than that. There's something in this sport that brings out passion in its fans. If you watch some of the MLS games involving clubs that didn't even exist when their adult fans were born in a country where the sport hasn't been a big part of the culture, it's just crazy.

 

[Flying Okapis]

Sometimes I watch games involving mid table or lower clubs (or, on occasion, clubs in lower divisions) and can't help but admire the passion those fans have for their team, even though they're probably never competing for a title or even a trophy. I see fans in the stands who at least appear as though they're there every week to support their local team. That's fascinating to me because in the United States you don't really have a local team unless you live in or around a big city. College sports play the same role here that local football clubs do across England and other countries. That's where the true passion is.

I'm not a passionate fan. I haven't really been passionate about a team since I grew up a crazy Pittsburgh Pirates fan in the 1960s and 70s. I've never been one to make noise at games or get excited watching them. I might get a little rush when Arsenal scores a goal and feel happy when they win; or if they lose (especially in a frustrating manner) I usually compartmentalize and try not to think about it the rest of the day (or even for a few days). It keeps me from aggravating about it too much and I move on. I suppose that's why truly passionate fans of teams that aren't great behemoths of their sport fascinate me. But it's also more than that. There's something in this sport that brings out passion in its fans. If you watch some of the MLS games involving clubs that didn't even exist when their adult fans were born in a country where the sport hasn't been a big part of the culture, it's just crazy.

I'm 100% the same as a fan in regards to passion, if a goal goes in I register it but don't go mad like some do.

What I find interesting about American sports and please correct me if I'm wrong is how they try to help out the smaller clubs.

My understanding is teams in the @$$ end of nowhere who have little support, the money is still split evenly and if they finish poorly they get better draft picks as well, is that correct? (Other sports not football)

In the UK I think location is key, clubs like Burnley, Scunthorpe for example will struggle to attract a certain calibre of player as the locations aren't exactly attractive unless they are financially backed.

I would love it if something was done to improve and help the lesser clubs but I think its far too late and with the game being worldwide its too difficult to control, you cant exactly send Jadon Sancho to Mongolia as a draft pick

The media go on and on about how great Tottenham are doing, same as Liverpool but they are also the clubs who haven't won a trophy in quite a while, yet Arsenal still get brought into question.

How is the MLS in terms of fair competition?

 

[truth_hurts]

Ryan Sessegnon is apparently available for a knockdown price due to his contract. Sp**s are the front runners. I'm not sold on him, but surely he's a no brainer if that price is true.

 

[Slartibartfast]

I'm 100% the same as a fan in regards to passion, if a goal goes in I register it but don't go mad like some do.

What I find interesting about American sports and please correct me if I'm wrong is how they try to help out the smaller clubs.

My understanding is teams in the @$$ end of nowhere who have little support, the money is still split evenly and if they finish poorly they get better draft picks as well, is that correct? (Other sports not football)

In the UK I think location is key, clubs like Burnley, Scunthorpe for example will struggle to attract a certain calibre of player as the locations aren't exactly attractive unless they are financially backed.

I would love it if something was done to improve and help the lesser clubs but I think its far too late and with the game being worldwide its too difficult to control, you cant exactly send Jadon Sancho to Mongolia as a draft pick

The media go on and on about how great Tottenham are doing, same as Liverpool but they are also the clubs who haven't won a trophy in quite a while, yet Arsenal still get brought into question.

How is the MLS in terms of fair competition?

Yeah, American sports operate under systems that encourage parity to one extent or another. The best example is the NFL, which has operated as a collective for decades. All TV games are part of a national package (each team having a territory where it's game is shown regionally on CBS or Fox Network on Sunday afternoons unless it's scheduled for one of the national broadcasts on NBC, ESPN or the NFL Network). Every team shares the massive TV revenue with absolute equality. More importantly than that, they share merchandising revenue equally. So no matter how many Dallas Cowboys or New England Patriots jerseys are sold, the Jacksonville Jaguars and Tennessee Titans get an equal cut). The only difference is in stadium revenue from attendance, concessions, etc. But because of a salary cap, every team spends roughly the same. It doesn't, of course, prevent some teams from doing much better than others, but the equality of opportunity is there. Plus they aren't held hostage in buying players, who are acquired through a draft (in reverse order of how the teams finished, trades and free agency.

Teams in Major League Baseball, the NBA and the NHL don't operate under quite so collective a system with the same equality of revenue sharing. Teams have their own regional TV deals, so the Yankees and Red Sox, for instance, are going to bring in a lot more than the Kansas City Royals. But they, too have salary caps, luxury taxes (penalties for exceeding the cap) and have basically the same methods of player acquisition, which don't involved preposterous transfer fees (leaving more for the players themselves).

MLS has a really unique structure. It operates as a single entity and the league maintains control of all the teams. Each team's ownership group is an investor in the league itself. Players don't sign contracts with individual teams. They sign contracts with the league. The league also controls sponsorship deals, merchandising, etc., and the revenue is shared collectively. In a sense, I suppose you could think of the NFL as an old socialist hippie commune for billionaires and MLS as the Soviet Union.

I remember reading about a decade ago that UEFA was studying MLS for ideas on how to overhaul Europe's financial structure. It may have been part of what led to the development of Financial Fair Play. But of course it's impossible to operate in an international system that includes many countries and leagues in the same way that a single dominant league spanning the United States and Canada can operate. There's really no way (at least that I can envision) to have a system that relies on a player draft, trades and free agency (albeit there is some of the latter in the Bosman transfers) because a league that unilaterally implemented such rules would put itself at an enormous disadvantage against other leagues. There has to be a better way than the spiraling transfer fees, but I don't know what it might be.

 

[OnlyOne]

https://en.as.com/en/2019/05/03/football/1556914637_245596.html

Madrid have signed Jovic. Apparently AS are usually not reliable unless they confirm it's a done deal.

 

[Yousif Arsenal]

60M for this i know he having great season but isnt that same amount of money we paid for auba?

 

[A_G]

what is their fixation with Willian?

 

[yybecause]

what is their fixation with Willian?

backup option who has experience and no drama around him like Malcom or Dembele.
Good move by Barca if they ever finalize it

 

[carter777]

 

[Flying Okapis]

Yeah, American sports operate under systems that encourage parity to one extent or another. The best example is the NFL, which has operated as a collective for decades. All TV games are part of a national package (each team having a territory where it's game is shown regionally on CBS or Fox Network on Sunday afternoons unless it's scheduled for one of the national broadcasts on NBC, ESPN or the NFL Network). Every team shares the massive TV revenue with absolute equality. More importantly than that, they share merchandising revenue equally. So no matter how many Dallas Cowboys or New England Patriots jerseys are sold, the Jacksonville Jaguars and Tennessee Titans get an equal cut). The only difference is in stadium revenue from attendance, concessions, etc. But because of a salary cap, every team spends roughly the same. It doesn't, of course, prevent some teams from doing much better than others, but the equality of opportunity is there. Plus they aren't held hostage in buying players, who are acquired through a draft (in reverse order of how the teams finished, trades and free agency.

Teams in Major League Baseball, the NBA and the NHL don't operate under quite so collective a system with the same equality of revenue sharing. Teams have their own regional TV deals, so the Yankees and Red Sox, for instance, are going to bring in a lot more than the Kansas City Royals. But they, too have salary caps, luxury taxes (penalties for exceeding the cap) and have basically the same methods of player acquisition, which don't involved preposterous transfer fees (leaving more for the players themselves).

MLS has a really unique structure. It operates as a single entity and the league maintains control of all the teams. Each team's ownership group is an investor in the league itself. Players don't sign contracts with individual teams. They sign contracts with the league. The league also controls sponsorship deals, merchandising, etc., and the revenue is shared collectively. In a sense, I suppose you could think of the NFL as an old socialist hippie commune for billionaires and MLS as the Soviet Union.

I remember reading about a decade ago that UEFA was studying MLS for ideas on how to overhaul Europe's financial structure. It may have been part of what led to the development of Financial Fair Play. But of course it's impossible to operate in an international system that includes many countries and leagues in the same way that a single dominant league spanning the United States and Canada can operate. There's really no way (at least that I can envision) to have a system that relies on a player draft, trades and free agency (albeit there is some of the latter in the Bosman transfers) because a league that unilaterally implemented such rules would put itself at an enormous disadvantage against other leagues. There has to be a better way than the spiraling transfer fees, but I don't know what it might be.

Thanks for that, was informative and a good read. The NFL model seems what I would like in football but football is so far gone it would be impossible.

 

[yybecause]

forget about such thing in football. this sport is so corrupted and so deep into it we'll wait another decade just to see away goal rule removed, or any draw being done fairly.
it took them a century just to start marking the spots where the faul was made and where the wall should be at.
wish people would care more about how fixed it all is, just so we could talk more healthy about football and clubs in general

 

[A_G]

 

[Flying Okapis]

forget about such thing in football. this sport is so corrupted and so deep into it we'll wait another decade just to see away goal rule removed, or any draw being done fairly.
it took them a century just to start marking the spots where the faul was made and where the wall should be at.
wish people would care more about how fixed it all is, just so we could talk more healthy about football and clubs in general

Don't get me started on the away goal rule , how they ever got away with that idea I don't know, how can a goal count twice just because you are away, it makes no sense.

 

[Flying Okapis]

 

[A_G]

 

[al-Ustaadh]

We must somehow take advantage of this. I know he'll probably go to Bayern but come on.

 

[A_G]

We must somehow take advantage of this. I know he'll probably go to Bayern but come on.

Just can't see it, even though he's good friends with Özil.

 

[Reodor Felgen]

Imagine Sané, Aubameyang and Dembele

We would win the prem next year!