RammiXP
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neither team looked like they were going to score. Even though we should have. It was just a very poor game and im sure the ajax fans would be far from happy with there teams performance but they were away.
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Gurgen said:No surprise that everyone is on Flamini's back again depsite him being the player who completed the most forward passes :roll:
you slay measajoseph said:Gurgen said:No surprise that everyone is on Flamini's back again depsite him being the player who completed the most forward passes :roll:
It's not surprising really. Flamini, like almost everyone else we had on display yesterday was poor. Just because everyone else on the team was down at his level, doesn't really make his performance any better, and just because the rest of the midfield was absolutely dreadful at passing the ball, doesn't make Flamini's performance any better. All I saw was the same rash tackles, the same lack of ideas in possession in the middle, and the same inability to ride a challenge. He was average yesterday, at best. Fortunately for him, the rest of the team with only a couple of exceptions, ranged from average to bloody dreadful.
asajoseph said:Gurgen said:No surprise that everyone is on Flamini's back again depsite him being the player who completed the most forward passes :roll:
It's not surprising really. Flamini, like almost everyone else we had on display yesterday was poor. Just because everyone else on the team was down at his level, doesn't really make his performance any better, and just because the rest of the midfield was absolutely dreadful at passing the ball, doesn't make Flamini's performance any better. All I saw was the same rash tackles, the same lack of ideas in possession in the middle, and the same inability to ride a challenge. He was average yesterday, at best. Fortunately for him, the rest of the team with only a couple of exceptions, ranged from average to bloody dreadful.
Gurgen said:asajoseph said:Gurgen said:No surprise that everyone is on Flamini's back again depsite him being the player who completed the most forward passes :roll:
It's not surprising really. Flamini, like almost everyone else we had on display yesterday was poor. Just because everyone else on the team was down at his level, doesn't really make his performance any better, and just because the rest of the midfield was absolutely dreadful at passing the ball, doesn't make Flamini's performance any better. All I saw was the same rash tackles, the same lack of ideas in possession in the middle, and the same inability to ride a challenge. He was average yesterday, at best. Fortunately for him, the rest of the team with only a couple of exceptions, ranged from average to bloody dreadful.
Utter crap.
He lost the ball about twice times in 90 minutes while usually passing forward, that doesn't make him average.
But there's no use defending Flamini I guess, he is 's***e' and he never will be anything else because people have decided so a few weeks ago.
While Cesc is more creative than the rest of the MF put together but still is not scaring defenders...Flamini, for all his endeavour, is not creative enough to scare defenders,
I just plain disagree. Plus if it's physcial strength that's your problem, well that's pretty easy to rectify...not strong enough to ride challenges in the midfield,
Oh, I know that's not true, he's layed some brilliant passes out, albeit against lesser teams...not skilled enough to pick out passes
I'll concede that point.or beat anyone one on one,
He's one of the most willing students that Wenger has, so only time will tell if he's 'intelligent' enough to improve his positioning for both blocking channels and putting in challenges.not intelligent enough to block attacks with positional sense alone and not co-ordinated enough to time his challenges.
You know, perhaps there is a little bias going on towards him. Perhaps plenty of fans have closed the book on his career before it's even taken off. But you know what would really help put those (and heck, maybe that includes me) people in their place? Just a hint that he was anything more than average. Just a suggestion that he perhaps possesses one particular skill that will make opponents worry if they see his name on the teamsheet.
Gurgen said:Asa, you want a hint that he is more than average?
How about the fact that he hasn't cost us a single goal in his time here, but he has created goals for us with his interceptions and quick passing? His passes actually stay on the ground instead of bouncing up and down every ten yards like Gilberto's.
It's true, he doesn't have a special 'skill' expect for his work rate and stamina, but he doesn't do much wrong. What the hell do you expect from him anyway? He work his arse off, passes the ball immediately and then makes himself available again. A principle of football that Gilberto and Reyes are yet to understand. All the basic qualities are there, he just needs some polishing. Besides, he has never even had an extended run in the side.
Yesterday he had a pretty much flawless performance apart from some rash tackling early on, and it's very unfair to slate him for that. Slate him when he's actually playing crap (which hasn't been that often).
I'm pretty sick of discussing this tbh. I rate him and think he'll be a very good player one day, you don't. Fair enough, we'll see in a few years.
Agreed.Gurgen said:I thought Flamini looked more composed on the ball than Eboue, Larsson and Reyes put together. Sure he makes some rash tackles, but he hardly gave the ball away last night, while everyone else was passing to the opposition. At least he is tackling players, unlike Gilberto.
How about the fact that he hasn't cost us a single goal in his time here, but he has created goals for us with his interceptions and quick passing?
His passes actually stay on the ground instead of bouncing up and down every ten yards like Gilberto's
What the hell do you expect from him anyway? He work his arse off, passes the ball immediately and then makes himself available again.
Yesterday he had a pretty much flawless performance apart from some rash tackling early on, and it's very unfair to slate him for that
I'm pretty sick of discussing this tbh. I rate him and think he'll be a very good player one day, you don't. Fair enough, we'll see in a few years.
While Cesc is more creative than the rest of the MF put together but still is not scaring defenders...
I just plain disagree. Plus if it's physcial strength that's your problem, well that's pretty easy to rectify...
Oh, I know that's not true, he's layed some brilliant passes out, albeit against lesser teams...
Plus I think there has been alot of expectation heaped upon Mathieu.