Ruben Neves

[Sebastes]

That pass. Neves could never

 

[Alexs]

That's right Gareth Southgate is the best manager on the planet.

You don't alf talk some rubbish Yorch!

Southgate has a coherent plan. This alone puts him in a higher category than Arteta.

 

[El Duderino]

That pass. Neves could never

Available on a cheap, as well.

 

[HairSprayGooners]

Sabitzer is a top choice. But my main point with Neves is the fact that he won't hesitate to join us.

Most top players are unattainable for us due to no European football. Just the sad situation we are in.

90% of players we buy this summer will be from clubs lower than us. I think we could make one signing from above, but it'll just be one if we do.

 

[RunTheTrap]

I think under a Bad / average manager like Arteta he is gonna look pretty bad here. Bielsa makes players look better than they would in any other team.

You don’t think Gareth Southgate is a bad manager too? Philips had a MOTM performance against Croatia today. He’s a good player. Had a better season than Neves too.

 

[Kysus]

Sabitzer is a top choice.

Nope

 

[Gn1212]

Sabitzer is a top choice. But my main point with Neves is the fact that he won't hesitate to join us.

Most top players are unattainable for us due to no European football. Just the sad situation we are in.

90% of players we buy this summer will be from clubs lower than us. I think we could make one signing from above, but it'll just be one if we do.

We are a top club in England regardless. Top notch stadium and facilities. PL, London and top wages.

We can sign pretty much anyone if we present then the right offer. Partey is the best example. Maybe you can't attract the likes of Mbappe, Haaland and Ronaldo but nobody asked the club to go for them.

 

[yorch44]

You don’t think Gareth Southgate is a bad manager too? Philips had a MOTM performance against Croatia today. He’s a good player. Had a better season than Neves too.

Yes, he is good and definitly better than Neves. Only I think he would look worse here than he is.

To be fair, England has an average manager but he does not complicate too much like Arteta, and England have a very good team. Actually if You let players play with some freedom they have the quality to get semis ar least.

Arteta is worse than that, he is so rigid and complicates everything too much that he makes good players looks worse.

 

[Alexs]

Southgate also has some experience, a modicum of man management skill and doesn’t talk nonsense to the media.

 

[DennisTheLegend]

People seem to be obsessed with replacing Xhaka when we already have his replacement in Partey. Ideally, we'd pair him with a top box to box mid, with Willock being the understudy.

The problem with Neves is he doesn't excel at anything. You look at similar players, Xhaka and Jorginho, they excel at passing, they are deep lying playmakers, they are important to working the ball from back to front. Neves isn't a top passer

Does he not pass forward? - Seems like Xhaka was passing it backwards or sidewards. He excels at pulling the trigger from 30 yards, our lack of goals from midfield and reluctance to test the keeper means that teams are happy to camp up. Having a dangerous player located on the D will draw out defenders. It’s so obvious but we haven’t had someone who can hurt from that position since Santi left

 

[OnlyOne]

I'm a huge Philips fan, @American_Gooner knows I wanted him a few seasons back as well, but I don't think he's better than Neves, yet.

 

[DennisTheLegend]

You don’t think Gareth Southgate is a bad manager too? Philips had a MOTM performance against Croatia today. He’s a good player. Had a better season than Neves too.

We need a complete overhaul of our midfield, Xahaka, Torreira, Elneny and Guendouzi out - we need a Neves, Bissouma/ Philips and a WC AMC. I think we should get one target done or we will panic buy towards the end of the window .

 

[Sebastes]

I'm a huge Philips fan, @American_Gooner knows I wanted him a few seasons back as well, but I don't think he's better than Neves, yet.

I've never really thought of him as a potential target but he's had a good season. Watched Leeds a couple of seasons back - when Pontus Jansson was a cb there - but I never really noticed Phillips (don't know if he played there or not then).

Is it lazy/wishful thinking that he could be a hybrid between Bissouma and Neves? With some of the upside with both of them, although he wouldn't be as good as any in their respective primary skills.

 

[OnlyOne]

I've never really thought of him as a potential target but he's had a good season. Watched Leeds a couple of seasons back - when Pontus Jansson was a cb there - but I never really noticed Phillips (don't know if he played there or not then).

Is it lazy/wishful thinking that he could be a hybrid between Bissouma and Neves? With some of the upside with both of them, although he wouldn't be as good as any in their respective primary skills.

I think he’s definitely more Neves, with possibly better defensive attributes, that being said the role he played for England he looked really good but he’s never really played that for Leeds, always the one who’s sat back dictating and pinging balls out.
I’m not sure whether he’d be able to take the step up (is Arsenal a step up atm?) whereas I think Neves could. I’d be happy with either but think Neves atm is the better fit and better player. Both have good potential.

 

[AeNwT]

I think Xhaka is a better progressive passer. The angle and weight of his passing is a lot better. He knows how to get the full backs involved into the attack.

Neves for me has been protected by Wolves’ defensive shape. Much like Arsenal when they played a 5 back. In our 4231, Neves would get exposed for his lack of physical attributes, the same as Xhaka.

Like you, I actually like Xhaka and if we are going to replace him, I’d like someone better or someone with a different profile, a player who is more box to box. Don’t get me wrong, Neves isn’t a bad player, but 40m? Not for me.

I’d like us to sign Ødegaard and then pair Partey with a dynamic box to box player, a bit like Ramsey when we had Özil. Would like Willock to get a shot, Ødegaard dropping deeper, Willock running off the ball.

This is where I have to agree to disagree. The points you’re making actually aid my point.

Xhaka maybe the better progressive passer due to the fact that Neves plays in a more defensive system as you pointed out. David Luiz injured Raul Jimenez, taking away an option to progressively pass the ball too. He’s had to play conservatively to survive relegation but Neves is a technical specialist. He does the nitty gritty like Xhaka more convincingly & is more mobile/consistent.

He doesn’t beat Xhaka in assists but his attacking option are poor in comparison to Xhaka’s. We can all at least agree on that

Whilst in this system Neves is still rated higher than Xhaka. Also just watch Neves he can beat the press & pass. He’s not as one footed as Xhaka & his passes are also quality. When Xhaka beats the press there’s that pause of “Oh ****” which is partly why I think he’s leaving. We all need a fresh start.

Neves is rated a better player in the same league, same position but a weaker team.

If you were to combine Xhaka, Ceballos & Torreira they’d only be better than Neves defensively due to Torreira’s tenacity. In fact the only way Arsenal Midfield improves from the current crop is cloning Partey or combining all the other midfielders skill sets into one player. Just think about that for a second… crazy

As I said Neves isn’t my first choice but upon review he ticks too many boxes to turn down. 28-35 mil I’m cool with.

for a box to box Willock & Lokonga if signed isn’t bad. I had high hopes for Guendouzi.
Don’t you have any box to box types in mind ?

 

[14Henry]

We are a top club in England regardless. Top notch stadium and facilities. PL, London and top wages.

We can sign pretty much anyone if we present then the right offer. Partey is the best example. Maybe you can't attract the likes of Mbappe, Haaland and Ronaldo but nobody asked the club to go for them.

You can only attract a player like Partey because no one else was interested in him and we bent over backwards to pay him 200k a week.

Had Atletico offered him 150k a week he would still be there.

Don't trick yourself into thinking we can attract top players. The only top players we are attracting is those who are coming for money and not to win things.

Didn't Arteta take a pay cut to come to Arsenal from Everton? Yet now players are asking for 3 times the amount of money they are getting elsewhere when we are the only club interested.

I've said it many a times on here but we need to be seen as a stepping stone club rather than the end game or last big contract. That way the player still has the hunger to perform as they want to continue going upwards.

What is Thomas aim now? Maybe to win a cup with Arsenal. He knew when signing he would never win a league or CL. He knew the challenge to get playing regular CL football was going to be tough. His main aim was the last big contract and he knew Arsenal were desperate.

 

[OnlyOne]

You can only attract a player like Partey because no one else was interested in him and we bent over backwards to pay him 200k a week.

Had Atletico offered him 150k a week he would still be there.

Don't trick yourself into thinking we can attract top players. The only top players we are attracting is those who are coming for money and not to win things.

Didn't Arteta take a pay cut to come to Arsenal from Everton? Yet now players are asking for 3 times the amount of money they are getting elsewhere when we are the only club interested.

I've said it many a times on here but we need to be seen as a stepping stone club rather than the end game or last big contract. That way the player still has the hunger to perform as they want to continue going upwards.

What is Thomas aim now? Maybe to win a cup with Arsenal. He knew when signing he would never win a league or CL. He knew the challenge to get playing regular CL football was going to be tough. His main aim was the last big contract and he knew Arsenal were desperate.

I think you’re so far off with your opinion on why Partey joined, for one you have no idea because you don’t know him personally. There are so many reasons why he may have wanted to come here.

 

[14Henry]

I think you’re so far off with your opinion on why Partey joined, for one you have no idea because you don’t know him personally. There are so many reasons why he may have wanted to come here.

Why did he join then?

You're telling me my opinion is wrong because I don't know him personally. Why is your opinion any better than mine? Unless you are his brother or friend.

What I do know is he was on 70k a week at Atletico and we had to pay him 200k a week. That isn't logical. You offer more but 3 times more no. 120k should have been enough if his motivation wasn't money.

Rodrigo who came from Atletico for a bigger fee is on 6.3m a year which works out around 120-130k a week. Why did City not have to pay him 200k a week to sign?

 

[Iwobeast]

Why did he join then?

I genuinely believe he wanted to play for the club (Arsenal are big in Ghana), play in the PL, and was ready for a new challenge.

 

[OnlyOne]

Why did he join then?

You're telling me my opinion is wrong because I don't know him personally. Why is your opinion any better than mine? Unless you are his brother or friend.

What I do know is he was on 70k a week at Atletico and we had to pay him 200k a week. That isn't logical. You offer more but 3 times more no. 120k should have been enough if his motivation wasn't money.

I haven't said your opinion is wrong, I just think it's miles off because you seem so adamant there's only 1 reason he's joined. Also of course money is a factor there's no denying that, but for some reason, you think that is literally the only reason.