Moises Caicedo

[Kuroske]

Is it though? Wouldn't it be very limited on the ball?

Do you think Brighton is limited on the ball with Caceido playing in midfield?

 

[Hunta]

Heard it’s done to Chelsea.

£85m.

 

[ArsenesCoatMaker]

Do you think Brighton is limited on the ball with Caceido playing in midfield?

No because they have MaCalister and Gross who are providing the playmaking in their midfield. We'd be reliant on Ødegaard and Rice actually becoming a top playmaker.

The worry is both Rice and Cadeido offering very little in possession

 

[SA Gunner]

No because they have MaCalister and Gross who are providing the playmaking in their midfield. We'd be reliant on Ødegaard and Rice actually becoming a top playmaker.

The worry is both Rice and Cadeido offering very little in possession

I think you are underestimating Caicedo and his ability to play as an #8 in our system. He is actually more of an 8 than Rice IMO.

Caicedo is one of the most versatile players in the league. He plays comfortably across all three lines. Mind you, Rice can do the same as well.

 

[lomekian]

BTW according to the BBC, usually more reliable about this sort of thing that Twitter, McAllister was £55m

 

[Burrata]

I think you are underestimating Caicedo and his ability to play as an #8 in our system. He is actually more of an 8 than Rice IMO.

Caicedo is one of the most versatile players in the league. He plays comfortably across all three lines.

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He doesnt have the verticality with the ball like Rice.
Btw even Xhaka was great, you could see his limits many times when he is in the final third or in some runs when he misses the touche because he lack a bit of pace and miss controls

Rice is a running machine, more agile and more powerful in his runs

He would be our VVD

Caicedo is a elite defensive minded midfielder but don't think he can fit what Xhaka did. But he can be brilliant as a DLM/Inverted FB

 

[DuBB]

I think you are underestimating Caicedo and his ability to play as an #8 in our system. He is actually more of an 8 than Rice IMO.

Caicedo is one of the most versatile players in the league. He plays comfortably across all three lines.

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And not only does he play comfortably in most thirds (deepest and middle third, predominantly) he plays comfortably on both sides.

Often this season when deployed as a DM, he's been deployed slightly to the left, but as we saw against us, he absolutely bossed the right hand side of the pitch.

Touch map against us as a RB

Touch map in another win as a DM

Touch map as a DM in a loss (Everton) but as you can see and if you watched like I did, you'd recognise that they were really on the front foot trying to score and get back in that game

 

[SA Gunner]

He doesnt have the verticality with the ball like Rice.
Btw even Xhaka was great, you could see his limits many times when he is in the final third or in some runs when he misses the touche because he lack a bit of pace and miss controls

Rice is a running machine, more agile and more powerful in his runs

He would be our VVD

Caicedo is a elite defensive minded midfielder but don't think he can fit what Xhaka did. But he can be brilliant as a DLM/Inverted FB

You speaking about running with the ball I presume.

Yes, this is a super strength of Rice. His engine and ability to play box-box is ridiculous and something I havent seen enough with Caicedo. But that doesnt disqualify Moises as an #8 in our system, because in addition to having an engine, does he also an ability in tight spaces which he has shown as a lone #6 at Brighton.

Think there is more to his game than what we are told by the media, and you see this by just watching him closely on the pitch.

 

[GoonerJeeves]

Surely we can't afford both Rice and Caicedo? At least not without raising significant funds by selling players. If we are banking on the latter, we could probably not sign both early in the window?

 

[DuBB]

You speaking about running with the ball I presume.

Yes, this is a super strength of Rice. His engine and ability to play box-box is ridiculous and something I havent seen enough with Caicedo. But that doesnt disqualify Moises as an #8 in our system, because in addition to having an engine, does he also an ability in tight spaces which he has shown as a lone #6 at Brighton.

Think there is more to his game than what we are told by the media, and you see this by just watching him closely on the pitch.

And just for further illustration, and to continue to dispel the "Mosies might not be able to play better further forward" narrative, here are 2 season Heat Maps, showing where 2 players have been more active this season. The first is Declan Rice (looking rather like a left sided box 2 box midfielder to me...), the second is Caicedo.

But the way people talk about Caicedo you'd think he stopped playing at the half way line, but clearly people haven't watched enough of him to know how all over the pitch he really is

 

[ArsenalInMyHeart]

 

[G0D]

Make it happen before Chelsea snap him up… if Jorginho is really going then Caicedo is the way to go.

 

[OnlyOne]

JACOB!!!!!

 

[Hunta]

Prepared to sell my account if we sign both.

 

[Burrata]

You speaking about running with the ball I presume.

Yes, this is a super strength of Rice. His engine and ability to play box-box is ridiculous and something I havent seen enough with Caicedo. But that doesnt disqualify Moises as an #8 in our system, because in addition to having an engine, does he also an ability in tight spaces which he has shown as a lone #6 at Brighton.

Think there is more to his game than what we are told by the media, and you see this by just watching him closely on the pitch.

Agreed, and i even think we will change the system next season, let's see but i'm excited. Ricedo or not.

Gary Jacob bomba !! let's hope

 

[Blood on the Tracks]

Yeah, I don't think Caicedo is just a standard 6. I think he's got quite a bit more to his game.

I'd personally prefer Rice at 8 but they'd be interchangeable to a degree.

With those two at CM we'd be so much more tactically flexible.

 

[Yousif Arsenal]

Arteta will likely push for kroenke to get Caicedo tooif we made more sales in midfield it open big opportunity. But we need to make sure we made good sales or ffp will chase us we can't have that after we back to elite again

 

[Dutch D]

I'd much rather Caicedo for 70-80m than Rice for 100m, I'd even prefer Caicedo if Rice cost 80m. That being said I don't see either as 8s that raise the bar on our midfield. I think the odds are very low that they can reproduce Xhaka's output. Also, despite his output Xhaka's had clear flaws in his game at 8. A more nimble player (like Caicedo) with attacking threat (unlike Caicedo) would fit much better there. I also like a tenacious player at 8, which is why I suggested Mac Allister or Barella.

Rice scores the occassional goal, but no guarantees he'll produce as much when already in the attacking third (I think people really underestimate what it means to arrive in a position rather than starting from that position, for one thing it would take away the space to start his marauding runs or the space for a long shot, that space would need to be created by the player).

 

[<<reed>>]

I think you are underestimating Caicedo and his ability to play as an #8 in our system. He is actually more of an 8 than Rice IMO.

Caicedo is one of the most versatile players in the league. He plays comfortably across all three lines. Mind you, Rice can do the same as well.

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How does it show his versatility? Great defensive numbers & almost zero creativity

 

[SA Gunner]

How does it show his versatility? Great defensive numbers & almost zero creativity

Look at progressive passes, passes attempted and passes completed. Those are the statistics behind his ability to pass vertically.

The biggest indicators though is his movement across the pitch, as seen by the heat maps posted.