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There's no rebuild (or it gets significantly slowed down) if we don't get CL this season, that's the crux of it.I still dont get how people can get excited by this...
Yes he is a gem, and yes he will improve us.
Are we relying on him to get top 4 alone? i dont think so... it took us an 8 game disaster class last season to miss it
An the promise they will talk will put us fans in a conflict this season. on one hand if he plays phenomenally, we will 100% not be able to afford him and real will want him back... the only way they will sell and we can afford him is if he flops.... so it will be a small bitter taste if he preforms, cause you know the void he will leave when real will want him back... and a as well if he underperforms cause you want your team to do well...
And dont use the Kovacic deal as an example, he flopped at chelsea and the only reason they bought him (was firstly because he flopped) is cause they have a 2 years transfer ban.
Loaning a player to the first team without option to buy is admitting we are no longer a big club IMO...
Unless we have FP word he will sell and just doesnt included a clause in, even if he becomes messi, then i just cant get excited by this deal, im sorry...
Id rather give Willock and TJJ more game time and start the rebuild...
If he preforms and leaves the void will be huge again.
There's no rebuild (or it gets significantly slowed down) if we don't get CL this season, that's the crux of it.
Of course he doesn't get us CL outright, but who does? And why should we expect it from someone that is going to cost peanuts for the club? If we edge out 4th because of him that's some good business, whether we keep him or not.
And Florentino promised to have a talk about buying at the end of the loan, which is a good sign. Zidane and Ceballos seem to hate each other guts too, so there's a non-zero chance he ends up here even if he does well.
Silly argument imo.
The whole point is to get back into the CL this season to then have a bigger transfer Kitty for players like this.
We can’t afford a top CM outright, so signing him on loan and then being able to buy him or another top CM next season is big for us.
Everyone’s excited to see him play for us next season for obvious reasons. Nobody is relying on just him, we will sign other players.
Maximum he would cost even if he plays well is around 50-60m Euro which is completely acceptable considering age and such. And something we would be able to afford as well.
You think that if he performs the way Aaron did in the 13/14 campaign he'll cost 50-60M?
i dont think so...
All im saying is that even getting him here is a huge coupe... and im very happy about it.
But im sure that if he performs like everyones hyping him to be, theres 0 chance we will sign him...
Even with CL budget he is out of our reach... i talked to some Real fans that only had praise for him, and even laughed at me for wanting an option to buy...
The only chance we have is if ZZ doesnt rate him regardless of how he performs this year... then we might have a chance...
Lets give the guy love from the fans make him feel at home, then maybe the combined pressure of him wanting to stay and maybe ZZ already count him out will force them to sell in a price we can afford.
Not a chance he performs at that level in his first season but he could in seasons to come be at that level and higher.
It depends. This year if we can get a left winger and Tierney then realistically we'd only need to buy a CB and Ceballos next summer.
If we can't get Tierney or Zaha/Soares this window then its just back to square one next summer.
If Ceballos preformed well and we finished in top 4 we'll try to buy him Perez like to deal with us.
Real Madrid only talks they will go and buy 2 super quality midfielders next season because of Modric and Kross.And if he performs very well? if he carries our midfield and put this team in another level? if we suddenly compete for the title cause of him? you think Perez will sell him?
we'll be reliant of ZZ tempers and hope he hates him...
You cant hope for a fairy tale season for him here if we dont have an option to buy.. I mean ofc you can hope for that cause its good for the club. but its not the same feeling as if we had that option to buy...
I wouldnt cancel this deal because we didnt get that option... but still i cant get excited the same way as if we had that option
Well thats something i can agree...Real Madrid only talks they will go and buy 2 super quality midfielders next season because of Modric and Kross.
I don’t think some posters comprehend thisI really don't care what happens next summer, this window is all about NOW and getting CL back by June 2020. I don't understand why people feel a loan without an option to buy is so bad, the other option is not to have the player at all! We get a top player for very little money, if its only for 1 season so be it.