Borussin
AM's Resident Dortmund Fan
he's a tank, with the turning circle of one too
Be good for a low block teams in the prem, but not for anyone who wants any sort of mobility or ability to defend well up the pitch from their centre halves.
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German Football 2017/18
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he's a tank, with the turning circle of one too
Be good for a low block teams in the prem, but not for anyone who wants any sort of mobility or ability to defend well up the pitch from their centre halves.
KrissKringle
Reinventing VAR 😡
Wtf? Lewa scores from a clear offside and they don't even use VAR for a decision, even though the BVB players asked for it.
Why have the technology if you're not gonna use it?
Not that it would have made much of a difference, because BVB already lost the game in the first 15 minutes, but at least make the right calls.
Why have the technology if you're not gonna use it?
Not that it would have made much of a difference, because BVB already lost the game in the first 15 minutes, but at least make the right calls.
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Lidl Tir Na Nog
Borussia Hamburg
carter777
Thinks Poch Is The GOAT
Country: England
Player:Saka
Bayern 5 - 0 Dortmund HT
NieThePiet
Loves Overhyping Our Rivals
Even Hamburg was better.
Change Tuchel for Bosz/Stöger and that's why you get.
Change Tuchel for Bosz/Stöger and that's why you get.
Player:Martinelli
So did Aubameyang leave German Arsenal for English Arsenal?
Brown Gooner
DoN'T ceNsOR maH FreE SpEecH
A very convincing and thoroughly professional performance from Bayern in Der Klassiker today. Well done Die Roten!
As for Dortmund, this is what you get for sacking a very good coach in favour of not one but two fools. Dahoud, Sahin and Castro are very poor. Even Weigl has looked sh!t this season. If Michy returns to Chelsea then Dortmund are in serious trouble in the future with coaching and personnel.
As for Dortmund, this is what you get for sacking a very good coach in favour of not one but two fools. Dahoud, Sahin and Castro are very poor. Even Weigl has looked sh!t this season. If Michy returns to Chelsea then Dortmund are in serious trouble in the future with coaching and personnel.
Country: Iceland
So satisfying watching Munchen destroy the disgusting club that Dortmund is! Very nice birthday present!
Borussin
AM's Resident Dortmund Fan
The problem wasn't getting rid of Tuchel, he was part of the problem at Dortmund. And hell, he got a couple good beatings in by Bayern too. The problem was replacing him with the wrong coach.
BVB got a ton of work to do in the summer. Cannot afford to get the wrong coach in yet again.
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That's been the biggest issue with VAR in Germany. It's not clear when or how and in which situations it comes into play or who has the last say.
That way, as of now, it's basically just like a second ref behind a screen still making the same mistakes the refs make on the pitch, e.g. not seeing/giving offsides, fouls etc.
Sometimes it works out great, sometimes it makes things confusing and sometimes it makes the game even more unfair than without VAR. There's been times when one team scored a clear offside goal, VAR didn't even bother to come in, then, same thing on the other side of the pitch, VAR disallows it. Same things with penalties.
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Yeah, but their recruiting has been somewhat strange and more miss than hit over the last two, maybe three season. Toprak, Dahoud, Toljan, Yarmolenko, Castro and Goetze have all backfired somewhat.
When I looked up the result and saw Dortmund's line-up I kind of understood how today's beating came to be.
They need a good manager appointment. Won't go into any names or speculation, they just need a hit. And they need a clever recruiting strategy to infuse some fresh blood. Schmelzer, piszczek and Kagawa have seemingly lost that energy and drive they once had and have at the same time lost the quality to be in the starting XI for a title challenging team.
Maybe they should take a step back from trying to be Bayern challenger no. 1 and slowly but incisively built a squad with a fitting manager to get back to that position over the next two seasons. Thing is, with Leverkusen resurgent, RB Leipzig, Frankfurt's development under Kovac/Bobic and Schalke supposedly on the up again with the Tedesco/Heidel tandem, 2nd to 5th/6th will be a contested area in the near future.
Borussin
AM's Resident Dortmund Fan
The likes of Dahoud and Toljan though are fine, they need time. Toljan is a squad player, a back-up, Dahoud has barely got any kind of run in the team till recently, and finally started to play well, until today.
But Toprak was a signing made on Tuchel’s insistence (he of course never got to coach him), as was Schürrle, neither are showing enough. Yarmolenko was a panic buy. Castro just isn’t very good, Bürki is hit and miss. It’s a shame Guerreiro has had so many injuries recently and that Max Philipp also got a bad injury, as those two do look like very good signings, as does Akanji on early showings.
Before, Dortmund where on the same page, from scouting, to coach to sporting director. But partly because of sentimental signings being made when they shouldn’t have been made (Goetze), and then a coach (Tuchel) and scouts / sporting director pulling in opposite directions and failing to agree on anything regards recruitment, has led to this sort of unbalance within the squad. And the spine of the squad ripped out.
The once harmonious team behind the team has taken one almighty hit, that has been the big problem. Which is why I don’t get people saying that getting rid of Tuchel put us in this situation, he played as big a part as anyone in creating this mess. That is why you have Sven Mislintat at Arsenal for starters! He created so much disruption in 18 months. Aki Watzke isn’t getting away scot free either, he needs to up his game. He’s only ever made one really successful coaching choice in his time as CEO, time for him to make another this summer. But Dortmund are clearly sticking with Watzke and Zorc, as both signed new contract extensions in the last few weeks.
But Toprak was a signing made on Tuchel’s insistence (he of course never got to coach him), as was Schürrle, neither are showing enough. Yarmolenko was a panic buy. Castro just isn’t very good, Bürki is hit and miss. It’s a shame Guerreiro has had so many injuries recently and that Max Philipp also got a bad injury, as those two do look like very good signings, as does Akanji on early showings.
Before, Dortmund where on the same page, from scouting, to coach to sporting director. But partly because of sentimental signings being made when they shouldn’t have been made (Goetze), and then a coach (Tuchel) and scouts / sporting director pulling in opposite directions and failing to agree on anything regards recruitment, has led to this sort of unbalance within the squad. And the spine of the squad ripped out.
The once harmonious team behind the team has taken one almighty hit, that has been the big problem. Which is why I don’t get people saying that getting rid of Tuchel put us in this situation, he played as big a part as anyone in creating this mess. That is why you have Sven Mislintat at Arsenal for starters! He created so much disruption in 18 months. Aki Watzke isn’t getting away scot free either, he needs to up his game. He’s only ever made one really successful coaching choice in his time as CEO, time for him to make another this summer. But Dortmund are clearly sticking with Watzke and Zorc, as both signed new contract extensions in the last few weeks.
A Lighter Shade of Blue
Pep Is Bald
Good to see Schalke 04 doing well again, the Sane money must have helped them strengthen.
What on earth is happening with Hamburg and Wolfsburg though?
What on earth is happening with Hamburg and Wolfsburg though?
Wolfsburg have always been a joke club. Fluked themselves to two good squads (the league winning one and the cup winning one) in all their history. Beyond that management and recruiting all over the place. Too much money for too less footballing knowledge.
Hamburg have been on that same trajectory for years now. They've got a sugar daddy putting money into them, but are absolute shambles in terms of management and backroom staff. Just look at the number of DoFs and coaches they've had over the last couple of years. Just ridiculous.
There's a good, mostly young spine in there, especially if you consider overall squad quality, with philipp, Reus, pulisic, Sancho, Dahoud, Weigl, Guerreiro, Schmelzer, Toljan, Akanji, Zagadou and Reimann. Just need some top drawer guys for the first XI, get rid of the sentimental dross (Kagawa, Sahin, Goetze) and the subpar ones (Schurrle, Castro, Toprak, Burki, piszczek). Good thing is: All the ones to get rid off still have mostly decent name recognition which makes them sellable assets.
Borussin
AM's Resident Dortmund Fan
There is a decent group for sure. I do think that with the right coach and system, Weigl and Dahoud can make a really good pair in the centre of midfield and solve one big part of that spine. We used to have Bender and Sahin playing in midfield together brilliantly at similar young ages, so the youth part of it doesn’t worry me so much with those two. They just need to be played together for a run of games.
I would switch Schmelzer and Piszczek around in this lists. Schmelzer is probably the most polarizing Dortmund player these days, a lot of fans are pretty fed up with him. Kagawa I am ok with, at least he’s produced since he came back, he was having a good season actually until he got injured a few weeks ago.
But for sure the club needs to stop making sentimental signings and giving contracts to ‘favorites’. It sends out the wrong message. Cos that is what has happened with Sahin, he is a Dortmund boy, Aki Watzke loves him. But sadly he’s not been the same player for ages now. Same with Goetze. Watzke has done great things for BVB, but he is really sentimental and emotional in his decisions at times! Sometimes having a fan as CEO causes problems.
Its interesting to me going back to something Jürgen Klopp said when he announced he was leaving. Paraphrasing here, but it was along the lines of ‘it’s easier to change the coach that the team’. It can be read many ways, but looking back on it what it seems he meant, was that the team needed to be freshened up, it needed new blood. And Klopp rather he left than any of ‘his boys’ be forced out. But honestly, hindsight is a wonderful thing, but he was right, and really, the club needed to be braver back then.
Dortmund is a very emotional club I think, if that makes sense, the fans thrive on it (not just Dortmund, a lot of historic clubs are like this!), and right now there seems to be a real flatness around the club, and a really downbeat attitude, like the lifeblood has been sucked out of the club. Big summer ahead, club need to get a lot right, starting with the coach.
Brown Gooner
DoN'T ceNsOR maH FreE SpEecH
Well Done Bayern on securing an unprecedented SIXTH consecutive Nationale Meisterschaft!
I think Schalke, Leverkusen and one of Leipzig or Dortmund will finish in the remaining CL spots. Hoffenheim are in with a chance too.
At this moment, Hamburg and Cologne look destined for the drop
I think Schalke, Leverkusen and one of Leipzig or Dortmund will finish in the remaining CL spots. Hoffenheim are in with a chance too.
At this moment, Hamburg and Cologne look destined for the drop
Borussin
AM's Resident Dortmund Fan
All reports in the German press tonights points to Niko Kovač being the new coach of Bayern Munich, they will pay 2.2mill euros to Frankfurt.
Notorious Big
Drunka In Friend Zone
Wonder how that'll look.Think that Bayern will be less competitive in Europe in next few seasons with some changes in team.Robben and Ribery are old.Mf should be little bit better.They have good chance to win CL this season with Jupp tbf.
Kovac to Bayern is very interesting, as well as Lewa to Madrid.
If Lewa is off, Bayern 100% sign Werner, and Werner/Mueller seems a decent option for a Eintracht style 3-4-2-1 in a more offensive aggressive gegenpressing style. Muller, Coman, Robben, Ribery, Gnabry could all fit the half positions.
But beyond Bayern the league is much more interesting. What'll Dortmund do? Can Leverkusen keep the squad together and evolve? What about Leipzig's dodgy form this year? Can Nagelsmann, after a string of shattering departures, rebuild Hoffenheim? If Kovac leaves, how will Frankfurt cope? Gladbach have a decent squad but need an identity, can they bring in someone like Favre to give that back to them? Will Schalke keep on upward the trajectory under Heidel/Tedesco? What will teams just beyond them do? Stuttgart need about 3 to 5 fitting additions to challenge for the EL, so does Bremen. Can teams like Augsburg and Hertha, clearly punching above their weight keep on fighting like they did? Hannover has a weird squad and Breitenreiter is a dodgy coach, what about them? Can Freiburg do clever business and Streich pull off some magic again?
If Lewa is off, Bayern 100% sign Werner, and Werner/Mueller seems a decent option for a Eintracht style 3-4-2-1 in a more offensive aggressive gegenpressing style. Muller, Coman, Robben, Ribery, Gnabry could all fit the half positions.
But beyond Bayern the league is much more interesting. What'll Dortmund do? Can Leverkusen keep the squad together and evolve? What about Leipzig's dodgy form this year? Can Nagelsmann, after a string of shattering departures, rebuild Hoffenheim? If Kovac leaves, how will Frankfurt cope? Gladbach have a decent squad but need an identity, can they bring in someone like Favre to give that back to them? Will Schalke keep on upward the trajectory under Heidel/Tedesco? What will teams just beyond them do? Stuttgart need about 3 to 5 fitting additions to challenge for the EL, so does Bremen. Can teams like Augsburg and Hertha, clearly punching above their weight keep on fighting like they did? Hannover has a weird squad and Breitenreiter is a dodgy coach, what about them? Can Freiburg do clever business and Streich pull off some magic again?
NieThePiet
Loves Overhyping Our Rivals
How Kovac can be already a candidate for Bayern?
Okay - he saved them in the relegation, then a midfield season and now a surprised good season. They are not playing good football, much fight. At least he created a good harmony in the team with many nationalities. But that's enough to be the manger of Bayern?
Normally you have to win titles, show good performances international. Stöger had a similar vita and you can see how he deals with Dortmund.
Maybe something good for the Bundesliga. It has to be closer now.
Still don't think that they will sell Lewy. Real is not buying 30year olds for so much money. And it looks like that Werner will sign a new contract at Leipzig before the World Cup. They will buy Arp, loan him out and hope that he will be the new striker in future.
Okay - he saved them in the relegation, then a midfield season and now a surprised good season. They are not playing good football, much fight. At least he created a good harmony in the team with many nationalities. But that's enough to be the manger of Bayern?
Normally you have to win titles, show good performances international. Stöger had a similar vita and you can see how he deals with Dortmund.
Maybe something good for the Bundesliga. It has to be closer now.
Still don't think that they will sell Lewy. Real is not buying 30year olds for so much money. And it looks like that Werner will sign a new contract at Leipzig before the World Cup. They will buy Arp, loan him out and hope that he will be the new striker in future.
