German Football 2017/18

[Furious]

Lol, "Bavarian giants". Bavarian prat.

 

[Brown Gooner]

and this is a perfect encapsulation of why people hate the arrogance and ignorance of Bayern Munich fans, well done

Be real dude. Frankfurt are a small club compared to Bayern, Dortmund, Gladbach, Wolfsburg and even Hamburg! Just like Leicester and Everton are tiny compared to Arsenal, Liverpool and Manchester United.

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BTW how’s Reus doing? I don’t follow much of German football outside Bayern so really don’t know what’s up at Dortmund. Is Marco fit? Would be really nice seeing him play for Germany in Russia!

I recently heard rumors that Favre is almost a done deal as Dortmund coach. If that is true then good for you guys. Just get Max Arnold from Wolfsburg and get Tah to replace Sokratis then Dortmund should be fine. I think the Key Dortmund player for next season will be either Mario Götze or Max Philipp.

Also, I don’t understand the Hitz signing. IMO, Kevin Trapp or the Stuttgart goalkeeper would’ve been better options.

 

[razörist]

and this is a perfect encapsulation of why people hate the arrogance and ignorance of Bayern Munich fans, well done

Yeah exactly. Not even going to respond to that, that guy is deluded.

 

[krengon]

 

[Toby]

Also, I don’t understand the Hitz signing. IMO, Kevin Trapp or the Stuttgart goalkeeper would’ve been better options.

He's backup. Neither Trapp nor Zieler would join BVB to sit on the bench.

 

[<<reed>>]

 

[Toby]

I originally posted it in the Life after Wenger thread, but I think it fits in here better by now. I translated a german article on Lucien Favre's style based on data analysis. It's a very interesting read on footballing data, the Expected Goals Model and of course Favre's style of play and coaching methods. It was written in light of rumours of Favre becoming Dortmund's next manager.


This is the link to the original article in german:
https://www.11freunde.de/artikel/welche-spielidee-der-neue-bvb-trainer-hat

And this is the two part translation I did:

https://ufile.io/5azgh
https://ufile.io/nfobb

The TLDR version:

Favre loves having the ball, to attack as well as a defensive mechanism. His teams defend deep and aggressively with a lot of bodies between goal and ball, thus allowing opposition lots of shots, but of low quality.
They have lots of possession and build up patiently, but don't take many shots. They're waiting and provoking chances by using coached and studied passing and movement patterns, creating less chances but of higher quality than their opposition.
He deeply analyzes the opposition and tweaks his teams patterns to fit who they're playing. Over the course of a season the teams amass a host of patterns which they can use to create chances.

 

[Brown Gooner]

He's backup. Neither Trapp nor Zieler would join BVB to sit on the bench.

IMHO, Both Trapp and Zieler are on par if not better than Burki.

 

[Brown Gooner]

Lol, "Bavarian giants". Bavarian prat.

Cry more

 

[Toby]

IMHO, Both Trapp and Zieler are on par if not better than Burki.

Yeah, but after much talk about leaving Burki will likely stay. Recent reports don't indicate Dortmund are looking for a no.1. Hitz is the Weidenfeller replacement.

Zieler won't leave Stuttgart. If BVB wanted a goalie, Hradecky would have been the prime option, but he's set to join Leverkusen. If they suddenly decide they need a new keeper, Trapp might be in the mix, but he might also want to check his chances with Tuchel.

 

[Brown Gooner]

Yeah, but after much talk about leaving Burki will likely stay. Recent reports don't indicate Dortmund are looking for a no.1. Hitz is the Weidenfeller replacement.

Zieler won't leave Stuttgart. If BVB wanted a goalie, Hradecky would have been the prime option, but he's set to join Leverkusen. If they suddenly decide they need a new keeper, Trapp might be in the mix, but he might also want to check his chances with Tuchel.

Tuchel might assure Trapp more playing time at Paris but I still believe that Trapp will be the preferred starter if he goes to Dortmund.

And why is Hradecky joining Leverkusen? Does that mean Leno is leaving?

Re: Weidenfeller, I might not like Dortmund and personally prefer Bayern but I’ve immense respect for that guy. A legend for Dortmund and IMO he should’ve played a part in Dortmund’s last home game of the season.

If I were a Dortmund fan this would be my preferred staring eleven:

Trapp​

Toljan - Tah - Toprak - Guerriero
——— Arnold ——— Weigl ———
Max P — — — Götze — — — Reus
—————— Batshuayi ——————

 

[Borussin]

I originally posted it in the Life after Wenger thread, but I think it fits in here better by now. I translated a german article on Lucien Favre's style based on data analysis. It's a very interesting read on footballing data, the Expected Goals Model and of course Favre's style of play and coaching methods. It was written in light of rumours of Favre becoming Dortmund's next manager.


This is the link to the original article in german:
https://www.11freunde.de/artikel/welche-spielidee-der-neue-bvb-trainer-hat

And this is the two part translation I did:

https://ufile.io/5azgh
https://ufile.io/nfobb

The TLDR version:

Favre loves having the ball, to attack as well as a defensive mechanism. His teams defend deep and aggressively with a lot of bodies between goal and ball, thus allowing opposition lots of shots, but of low quality.
They have lots of possession and build up patiently, but don't take many shots. They're waiting and provoking chances by using coached and studied passing and movement patterns, creating less chances but of higher quality than their opposition.
He deeply analyzes the opposition and tweaks his teams patterns to fit who they're playing. Over the course of a season the teams amass a host of patterns which they can use to create chances.

that's cool, do you mind if I send this to a couple people? Just fellow fans i know over the internet who I know will appreciate that someone took the time to translate it - they are really into the stats side of things, so this will hit the mark.

 

[Toby]

that's cool, do you mind if I send this to a couple people? Just fellow fans i know over the internet who I know will appreciate that someone took the time to translate it - they are really into the stats side of things, so this will hit the mark.

Sure don't mind

 

[Toby]

http://www.msn.com/de-de/sport/fuss...aillenwurf/ar-AAxA6ci?li=BBqg6Q9&ocid=UE12DHP

As I said, Bayern don't really appreciate Sandro Wagner's recent public antics, first stepping down from the Mannschaft, publily critizing his colleagues and staff as "yes men", attributing his non-call up to the WC to his "too honest, open and edgy" character, then throwing his DFB Cup runners-up medal into the crowd at Olympia Stadium in Berlin.

After Jogi Löw hit out at Wagner for his misdirected and misjudged criticism towards his fellow national team players saying "Wagner is labelling trusted, accomplished colleagues with 80, 90, 100 caps for Germany as ****** who don't say their opinion - that's not right. And believe me, they do state their opinions", Bayern president Uli Hoeneß has now come out to critize Wagner, too.

"If he did it [throwing the medal into the audience], it's not alright. We will certainly talk to him about it."And: "I was surprised by him stepping down from the NT, he shouldn't have reacted as vicious as he did. He should go on holiday, prepare well and look at his future at Bayern."

 

[Borussin]

http://www.msn.com/de-de/sport/fussball/hoeneß-kritisiert-sandro-wagner-für-medaillenwurf/ar-AAxA6ci?li=BBqg6Q9&ocid=UE12DHP

As I said, Bayern don't really appreciate Sandro Wagner's recent public antics, first stepping down from the Mannschaft, publily critizing his colleagues and staff as "yes men", attributing his non-call up to the WC to his "too honest, open and edgy" character, then throwing his DFB Cup runners-up medal into the crowd at Olympia Stadium in Berlin.

After Jogi Löw hit out at Wagner for his misdirected and misjudged criticism towards his fellow national team players saying "Wagner is labelling trusted, accomplished colleagues with 80, 90, 100 caps for Germany as ****** who don't say their opinion - that's not right. And believe me, they do state their opinions", Bayern president Uli Hoeneß has now come out to critize Wagner, too.

"If he did it [throwing the medal into the audience], it's not alright. We will certainly talk to him about it."And: "I was surprised by him stepping down from the NT, he shouldn't have reacted as vicious as he did. He should go on holiday, prepare well and look at his future at Bayern."

Sandro Wagner had a REALLY bad week didn't he!

BVB finally confrimed today that Lucien Favre is the new head coach

 

[carter777]

 

[SomGooner]

For an average player like Wagner, somebody needs to throttle him and remind him that he's lucky to have made it as a footballer while thousands of others who have far more talent, dedication, work ethic and desire than him never have.

Nothing worse than an average bum with a huge ego.

 

[Toby]

Sandro Wagner again critized by Hoeneß. Said "Wagner shouldn't do something like that when at Bayern."

https://www.transfermarkt.de/fur-ab...ter-tsg-profi-zum-fc-bayern-/view/news/308818

Bayern interested in another Hoffenheim player, captain and defence boss Kevin Vogt. Article says Kovac wants to use both a back 4 and a back 3, like he did at Frankfurt, and as of that needs another CB.

https://www.transfermarkt.de/intere...osten-lassen-wie-bittencourt/view/news/308852

Hoffenheim meanwhile interested in Frankfurt attacker Marius Wolf, after having already signed Leonardo Bittencourt from Köln and Ishak Belfodil from Bremen. Dortmund is said to be also interested, the fee is rumoured to be around 5m.

 

[Toby]

https://www.transfermarkt.de/schmel...s-es-so-das-beste-ist-ldquo-/view/news/308933

Marcel Schmelzer steps down as Borussia Dortmund captain. He was given the armband by Tuchel in 2016 after Mats Hummels had left the club, and remained in office under Bosz and Stöger.
"This is my decision. I think it is for the best. [...] I think there's players in the squad who can take over this task. The club is eyeing a reboot this summer, so it's fitting to have a new captain."

https://www.transfermarkt.de/leipzi...r-einig-ndash-16-mio-ablose-/view/news/308958

RB Leipzig interested in 20-year old Montepellier rightback Nordi Mukiele. Transfer fee is rumoured to be around 16m €.

https://www.transfermarkt.de/bayer-...unter-beweis-gestellt-ldquo-/view/news/308978

Hradecky now officialy from Eintracht Frankfurt to Bayer Leverkusen on a free where he signs a 5-year deal. Means Bernd Leno is off 100%.

https://www.n-tv.de/sport/fussball/Coach-Hasenhuettl-raeumt-Fehler-ein-article20444567.html

Ralph Hasenhüttl says he's not going into coaching right away 'cause he needs to pause and re-evaluate the last two years - it also might be down to a clause in his Leipzig contract that prohibts him from talking to another club until the end of September in exchange for a 600.000 € bonus. Says he's interested in the Premier League.

Rumoured candidates at Leipzig include ex-Bayer coach Roger Schmidt who used to work at Salzburg under Rangnick, ex-Stuttgart man Hannes Wolf as well as RB Salzburg manager Marco Rose, apparently there has been contact to the American franchise sister RB New York about their manager Jesse Marsch and Leipzig's hungarian co-coach Zsolt Löw, who has been working as a youth coach and assistant since 2011, seems to be in the mix, too.

 

[Borussin]

Hradecky is a goalie who has impresed me greatly, I actually think Leverkusen are upgrading, I'd definately take him over Leno for my team. So a very nice signing for them, with I guess Leno leaving this summer. Couple years age difference of course, but still well worth Leverkusen doing this.

I heard that Marco Rose and Ralf Rangnick don't exactly get on, although I can't find any basis to the rumour! But I get the feeling he's going to stay in Salzburg? I hope they swerve Roger Schmidt. I'd actually love to see Hannes Wolfe back in the Buli this quickly. He's a very good coach, just needs the right team I guess!