Merci Arsène

Discussion in 'Arsenal History' started by kraphtous, Apr 20, 2018.

  1. carlito'sway

    carlito'sway Established Member

    I would take him any day over the malevolent clown in the Nation's capital.
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  2. Football Manager

    Football Manager Broken Record

    What you are talking about is just general philosophy. In modern tactics, it’s about going into detail on every single player, on when, where, and how they should be positioned and move on the pitch.

    It’s not about low press/high press these sort of general team instructions.
    It’s about if your back four are being pressed by 4 players, you think of what you can do.
    Now their central midfield area has less number, you exploit that by using your GK as an extra man to pass to, make a slightly longer pass to the midfield to get out of the press, now you may drop your striker deeper to create more outnumbering in that central area. Then your opponent will react by maybe tucking a winger into the central midfield to prevent being outnumbered. Then now the wide area is free, you can exploit that space, then your opponent will.........
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  3. Football Manager

    Football Manager Broken Record

    Basically you make a way to exploit your opponent weaknesses, your opponent adjust, then you adjust your players position to counter his adjustment. Then they adjust again.... and now they are trying to attack your weaknesses, and how would you react on that......that’s what modern tactics is about.

    Of course most general team philosophies are nothing new. I can see many managers nowadays whose tactics are inspired by manager in the past.
    But previous generations of managers didn’t go into this chess like calculations of players instruction.
  4. Mark Tobias

    Mark Tobias Mr. Agreeable

    Do you work at the club so you are so sure about everything even on the board meeting?

    Wenger's statements surrounding transfers were fairly clear about the fact he had very little idea about the purchases we were making. Citing 'That greek kid'
  5. Mark Tobias

    Mark Tobias Mr. Agreeable

    Yeah definitely no way they could have thought about this 30 years ago. Nah uh. People was stupid back then.
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  6. Mark Tobias

    Mark Tobias Mr. Agreeable

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  7. Makingtrax

    Makingtrax Arséne Wenger once said "I will miss you"

    Individual instructions to players and working out ways to nullify opponents is not new.

    Using a sweeper keeper has been around for years. Even Lev Yashin would leave his penalty box to be part of the defensive structure back in the 1950s. Once the back pass rule had been defined in the early 90s managers like Johan Cruyff were insisting on it.

    I come back to the point though that prescriptive managers haven’t changed the game significantly. Guardiola looks so good because he has players that can carry out every instruction. It’s not the instructions that are new but the fact that he can assemble a team of such quality.
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  8. Football Manager

    Football Manager Broken Record

    I’m not saying it’s new. But it has changed from basic players instructions to something that’s so complex that you continuously counter your opponent’s plan, which is a counter of yours.

    You missed the point there by pointing out the sweeper keeper thing. It’s about constantly finding areas to exploit and make your opponent work to find another solution.

    You missed the point there by pointing out the sweeper keeper thing. It’s not about that.
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  9. Toby Andrl

    Toby Andrl Part Time Stuttgart Fan Trusted


    Not sure you could've exposed your limits any better than through such a post.

    On the other hand you made this clownish statement:

    You have about zero clue.

    That Rooney, Lampard and Gerrard are the furthest back example to pull out of your hat in a historical context speaks volumes to your age and actual knowledge.
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  10. Mark Tobias

    Mark Tobias Mr. Agreeable

    What on earth do you have listed as the definition of 'modern'.

    You've been crying about modern football this and that for a few days. Now that Trax and several other posters have proved you are wrong in your analysis you're back tracking like a naughty dog.
  11. Toby Andrl

    Toby Andrl Part Time Stuttgart Fan Trusted

    That's just not true in that form. It's one train of thought but not the main one and certainly not the only one. Too simplistic to describe the foundation of tactics as "counter the opponent move".
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  12. Mark Tobias

    Mark Tobias Mr. Agreeable

    @Football Manager , you've got another thing coming if you think you can take on @Toby Andrl in terms of tactics and football philosphy.
    Just admit you've been caught out and join in on the other discussions. We're all proved wrong here and there. Don't let it get embarrassing.
    There are plenty things to learn on this forum. I've been humbled a good few times and I've always tried to come back with a new perspective. Some of the posters here will know less than you, for sure. But don't assume that to be the case for everyone. Many posters on here have been here for years and some of others who just have extremely good vision for this sport. Accept it for what it is.
  13. Toby Andrl

    Toby Andrl Part Time Stuttgart Fan Trusted

    He's not. I can sense it would be useless going round in circles with him and this is the Arsène Wenger thread which has been derailed enough already. Let's get back to cherishing the man instead of trying to argue with a kid.
  14. Jury

    Jury Mission Accomplished

    Is that a trap?
  15. Jury

    Jury Mission Accomplished

    What the **** is this? :lol:
    How do you know he's a kid?
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  16. say yes

    say yes To Sweet Soulful House Music

    The tactical ‘insights’ in this thread are absolute poverty. Anyway, let’s get back on topic.

    Koscielny is Arsenal’s captain.

    Merci, Arsène.
    Last edited: Jul 11, 2019
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  17. carlito'sway

    carlito'sway Established Member

    And before him, were Viera, Henry. Cesc, Gallas, RVP..... All ended very badly. It is a wretched role....:lol:
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  18. hydrofluoric acid

    hydrofluoric acid Dishonest To His Federation

    It was Emery that made him captain last season.
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  19. OneAW!

    OneAW! Active Member

    Why blame Arsène for the club captain wanting to leave a club with no ambition? He isn't even at the club anymore.
  20. say yes

    say yes To Sweet Soulful House Music

    Arsène built his latter day squads with an emphasis on technical ability above all else. How many times did we beg him to sign some leaders / players with a backbone?

    He thought that individual leadership was overrated as a quality and the result is/was a squad wholly lacking in character: filled with weak, cowardly individuals. Koscielny’s captaincy is symptomatic of that.

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